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  Science vs. Spirituality?

  by Sunchild in

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  i originally posed this question to jh in another thread, and now i'm wondering how other atheists -- especially the hardcore ones -- here would answer it.

  this isn't about proving or disproving any particular viewpoint, but just an attempt to understand a mindset that seems... well... beyond my understanding.

  <g> first, though, here are a couple of terms defined as used in the context of my inquiry.. science: the objective study of the natural world.. spirituality: an intangible aspect of nature/the universe (including humanity) that may or may not include belief in any deity, but which is merely a general sense that something more is out there, and also within us.

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  My question is, Do you believe that science and spirituality are diametrically opposed

  Your definition of spiritualty is very broad. Religion on the other hand I feel is diametrically opposed to Scientific method. Religion requires faith – trust in an intangible supposition. Very unscientific. At best religion is used to fill in the gaps in scientific understanding. Ie If there isn’t a satisfactory scientific explanation there must be a spiritual one than can be adjusted to fit. Scientific method is a search for absolute truth based on provable fact. I think religion for the most part is an attempt to answer that which science so far has been inconclusive.

  Science doesn’t attempt to answer questions like why are we here and what is the purpose in life but the answer to how we got here has bearing on that. The opposite also is true of religion. Religion answering the question “Why are we hear?” will also invent an answer to “how did we get here?”

  In summary: Why do we have to answer questions by inventing God.

  Think. We have not progressed through four hundred years of scientific realization only to arrive at the unchangeable now. More and more progress will be achieved in the field of science until not only evolution must be accepted by the most hard-bitten fundy, but progress in the field of quantuum physics will convince the most hard-bitten materialistic, deterministic scientist of the existence of God.

  Sorry Francoise I respect your opinion but I don’t agree. I don’t think it is reasonable to say “Wow this is incredible – I don’t understand it therefore God must exist and have designed and invented it. ( I admit I know very little about quantum physics. In fact I’m not even sure I understand your last statement)

  like, for example, the good effects that spirituality can have on a person's mental and physical health

  History shows that religion for the most part has had a detrimental effect on science and humanity.

  I think myths are a valuable part of the human experience

  Fables and fairy stories are different from spirituality / religion

  
  "But it does move"
  Galileo
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  A new form of punishment

  by hippikon in

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  a new form of punishment loving discipline guidance .

  first there was disfellowshiping for bad publishers .

  next came disassociation for publishers who dont tow the line.

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  A new form of punishment loving discipline guidance

  First there was Disfellowshiping – For bad publishers

  Next came Disassociation – For publishers who don’t tow the line

  Now we have Whisperexile - When they cant do any of the above for fear of legal action or popular public disapproval or for fear that revealing the sources could bring legal action or popular public disapproval.

  
  "But it does move"
  Galileo
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  Regarding Erich Frost

  by hippikon in

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  regarding erich frost.

  can someone tell me if this is speculation or is there evidence of collusion with the gestapo.

  http://home.c2i.net/norman/traitors_and_heroes.htm.

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  Great thanks - do any translations of these documents exist anywhere?

  And where is Erich Frost now? Is he still in good standing?
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  Regarding Erich Frost

  by hippikon in

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  regarding erich frost.

  can someone tell me if this is speculation or is there evidence of collusion with the gestapo.

  http://home.c2i.net/norman/traitors_and_heroes.htm.

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  Regarding Erich Frost

  Can someone tell me if this is speculation or is there evidence of collusion with the Gestapo

  http://home.c2i.net/norman/traitors_and_heroes.htm

  
  "But it does move"
  Galileo
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  Why Should I

  by hippikon in

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  dear friends.. i am at a turning point.

  why should i resist the borg?

  why should i dedicate a sizeable portion of my life to shooting down religious bigots?

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  Uncanny : A little background.

  Up until now I have resisted from the inside. It has given me a sense of power to go to the meetings as an “unmasked apostate”. To “come out” would reduce my power base. At the moment I can speak freely to anyone and as long as I don’t directly challenge the “Princes for righteousness’ I can virtually say what I like. Ask the questions to which there are no answers. Example Last week one of the “princes” came on his sheep herding call. His hands were trembling by the time he left. All I did was ask about truthfulness and the deliberate misinterpretation of questions coupled with the meaning of “Jehovah’s name” and reliability of the promises etc etc etc. I enjoyed it immensely. It was quite a rush to see him shaking but what did it really achieve. He was obviously too stupid to take it to heart. I think it comes down to the position that they believe it because they want to. And while they want to they will come up with justifications to support their [belief system / want system].
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  Why Should I

  by hippikon in

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  dear friends.. i am at a turning point.

  why should i resist the borg?

  why should i dedicate a sizeable portion of my life to shooting down religious bigots?

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  Dear friends.

  I am at a turning point. Why should I resist the “Borg”? Why should I dedicate a sizeable portion of my life to shooting down religious bigots? Most are in the “Borg” because they want to be. I personaly think it is great sport to kick the crutches from under these emotionally crippled social outcasts but is it good? Some of these people have nothing else in their lives apart from the “troof” and couldn’t function as normal human beings without it. (as is evident by the behaviour of some on this board)So why be cruel to them. Even to my own brother. I wouldn’t try to tip him out, as it would devastate his family (although it would be an easy task).

  Now that I consider myself out and free, they are doing no harm to me. I am not Defd or DA’d so not shunned. (Not that it would make any difference). I have to ask my self why bother expending energy to resist them. The resistance appears to be unorganised and populated by quite a few crackpots, egotists, and social rejects. (No names mentioned so if you take offence you are applying the label to yourself). Not the kind I would choose to rub shoulders with. On the other hand many fill me with admiration and deserve medals for their efforts.

  To date my resistance has been largely subtle and motivated by the hurt and sense of betrayal. It would give me great satisfaction to shoot them down but I could be doing better things with my life. This may sound selfish but I am still happy to help on a personal level anyone who requests it.

  .Looking for some good reasons (besides hate and revenge) to actively resist the borg..

  note: edited to correct spelling - thanks gopher

  
  "But it does move"
  Galileo
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  False Memories

  by Jang in

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  do any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?

  i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.

  since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .

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  Are you qualified to do this kind of "research"?
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  Chuckys Back

  by hippikon in

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  the bbq was great - good to put faces to the names.

  note to self: buy ozzie cook book for christmas.. step - i will post the cd tomorrow.

  cheers.

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  hippikon

  The BBQ was great - Good to put faces to the names.

  Note to self: Buy ozzie Cook Book for Christmas.

  Step - I will post the CD tomorrow

  Cheers

  
  "But it does move"
  Galileo
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  Sydney BBQ: HELP!!

  by Stephanus in

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  i will probably need a lift to get to the bbq; i live in wollongong but can meet someone at a train station near the venue.

  if someone can pick me up, please email me.. yours sincerely,.

  a golf ball

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  See you all there
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  Contact Equals Suicide?

  by patio34 in

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  didn't find an appropriate forum for this unique perspective:.

  'our planet spends billions on searching for extraterrestrial life.

  have they never thought seriously about the question: what would happen if we found it, or if it found us.

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  hippikon

  http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=view_photo&ID_Community=QuantumEfficiency&ID_Topic=1&ID_Message=1

  http://communities.msn.com/QuantumEfficiency&naventryid=100

  I just cant get it right