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  TRO VS PPO court orders

  by exodus in

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  any one on this db knows if i should use a temporary restraining order or a personal protection order.

  i can't remember the difference between them.

  if anybody has any information please let know as soon as possible.

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  HoChiMin

  Exodus;

  I can't say I know the difference but what would it accomplish? Some satisfaction maybe because restraining orders all run out at some point. They will just leave you alone for that period of time and it will not stop them from df'ing you or anyone else.

  Many compose beautifully written letters to try and postpone an announcement and threaten legal action. If legal action is brought up by all means pursue it but don't bluff as some do. The goons will call your bluff, remember they are bullies and they think they speak for god.

  If all threatened legal action was followed through a cascade effect would begin. There are only so many WT lawyer freebie goons to go around and just leaving someone alone to save money would be a way for them to start thinking differently. They have enough problems with new pervert cases cropping up all over the world to keep them busy. Timing is important also as the more actions against them at once the more difficult it will be for them.

  I for one would love to see this evil practicing organization stop and think of the real damage they are causing in peoples lives.

  HCM
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  Hi Again

  by tattoogrl333 in

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  well the elders do not accept me.

  i do not fit the mold and nor will i change too.

  they asked for a book for me to see the questions answered for baptisim but they wouldn't give it to me because they have to decide if i can join???

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  Tattoogirl;

  It seems you are at the stage where you are about to become an "unbaptized publisher".
  What that means is you go out in the field service (door to door) as a "representative of Jehovah God" with your study conductor, now doesn't that seem like a lofty position? I'm sorry to tell you that your tattoos, body piercings and pink hair are considered substandard to the WT way of life. Most elders I served with would never allow you door to door in that state, hence no organization book and no questions. To bad for you, they are the final decision, no recourse, no questioning their decision, no anything until you fit their mold to a tee. Mind, heart, soul, body, every fiber of your existence must be turned over to them.

  Now be a good little Tattoogirl and run like hell, away from them. Please?

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  JW Kids Leave the Organization: Facts

  by Maximus in

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  the october 1 watchtower 2001 features articles on training children "properly" and dealing with a "prodigal child.

  the latest inside u.s. figures reveal that 86% of jw children leave the fold, with some 29% who eventually come back for reasons of family ties, most never "reaching out.

  " that means over half leave permanently.

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  Maximus;

  Without question kids are leaving, no their gone, and most not to return. That's a good thing. Remember back in the 70's young boys fought for the front row like a donkey after the carrot for any piece of the cookie crumb that broke off from the big wig on stage. It only took a few decades for them to realize the real truth. The front rows are empty. All young ones are leaving in droves and there is no replacements for the old cronies to be the next generation of company men.
  Must be a sign of the end ? The end of the WT as we know it.

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  When and where baptized

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  i thought it might be interesting to see how many here remember where and when they were baptised into the borg.

  for some the memory may be too painful, but i'm curious.. me.

  it was 1966 in vancouver, bc.

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  HoChiMin

  Oh no! with a couple of mentions about Natick Massachesetts it brings back all the bad memories. In 1975 I was dunked like a lemming. Wish I could go back and undo it.

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  more Separated at Birth . . .

  by Tallyman in

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  two charismatic cult leaders with throngs of devotees.... - s e p a r a t e d - a t - b i r t h ?

  and evidently both held similar doctrinal beliefs,.

  especially in the area of how little children should be treated=.

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  Seperated at birth alright, their both KOOKS!

  HCM
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  The art of Deceptive WT Writing

  by Duncan in

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  the fine art of wt-style deceptive writing.

  the other day, i happened across this watchtower press release from june of last year, relating to the changes surrounding the blood transfusions df-ing policy.

  so far, so good.. paragraph two: .

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  Duncan;

  Yes how clever they are at the art of half truths (out right lies) to the general public. While the r&f just blindly follow. Their slogan should be "see how holy we are, you dumb ass" it would show the true attitude that exists about anyone not a witness.

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  What is faith REALLY?

  by Silverleaf in

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  i've been interested in the discussion on the 'for those of us who believe in god' thread and aguest wrote this:.

  "we have been misled into understand what 'faith' really is.".

  if we have all been misled, then can someone explain what exactly faith really is?

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  Silverleaf;

  Faith according to the NWT:
  Faith is the assured exception of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities not beheld. Heb11:1

  I used to believe that in light of what the WT teaches. With their erroneous history, no current member can be assured of anything and certainly the WT does not deal in realities.

  HCM
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  how WT directions can destroy lives

  by Richie in

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  it is true that many persons have been disfellowshipped wrongly, but what is more disturbing is how a person's life could be so totally destroyed.

  this reminds me of an incident that happened some years ago where a sister was disfellowshipped for this reason:.

  she found out that her witness husband had been having sex with an animal.

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  HoChiMin

  Hello Richie;

  I guess you asked and answered your own question.

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  >>The disfellowshipped sister was so discouraged and shaked by the earlier decision to cast her off that she left the Organization. Yet years later the Society changed their stand on this issue and now this same sister would not have been disfellowshipped for the course of action she undertook at an earlier stage...
  Now, would this ex-sister be re-instated in her absentia in the congregation or would she be viewed as a "wicked" person for the rest of her natural life so long as she doesn't return back to the fold????
  What would be the right thing the Society should do? Of course restore her credibility and re-instate her even as an ex-sister, for that would be the loving thing to do. Of course not..the Society's thinking is to stay loyal to God's organization and follow the letter of the law (rule) and put as secondary the life of a person...<<

  By the way, is this example from Ray's book?

  HCM
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  Disfellowshipping

  by TweetieBird in

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  the whole idea of disfellowshipping someone from the congregation has always been a source of contention with me.

  maybe it's because they disfellowshipped my husband a month before we got married for something totally lame (i would go into it but then it would give my identity away).

  just trust me when i tell you that it was only done out of jealousy.

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  Tweetie;

  Isn't that the same contention that many have about disfellowshipping? Yes having a brain to determine if you chose to associate with someone or not is not up to the dub population. It must be mandated to love someone one minute and shun them the next by the WT doctrine. As shown on another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10269&site=3 ) the process is barbaric and telling people is a good way to help them from being indoctrinated into the WT.

  HCM
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  Here to vent !!!!!!!!!!!

  by jurs in

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  hello to anyone who cares,.

  i am in the fowlest of moods.

  last week i started cosmetology school ( i love it so much ), anyhow who did i see there but another sister from my kingdom hall.

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  Jurs;

  Explain to every one about the JW shunning it makes them look ridicules, and it is. I decided to tell anyone, when the subject comes up, about this cult practice. One women (friend) I told the other day had a knock at her door, it was the local PO and the CO, she told them "you better get the fuck out of here". I spit my beer out laughing at that one. It can become fun to expose this archaic practice.

  HCM