Posts by verystupid77

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The meetings at the Kingdom Hall now are positively scary

by BonaFide in

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what was i thinking my entire life?

during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.

and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.

verystupid77

Right before his talk, someone in the back of the hall started having a heart attack. I saw all of this from the 2nd school.(My goatee and earrings scare too many "freinds") Paramedics had to bee called, but not even someone in an obvious fight for his life didn't stop the f*&cking spiritual food from being dispensed. The paramedics had to keep speaking louder and louder to be heard over the comments during the "bible highlights"."

My husband was the school overseer and had or was having a heart attack and did not tell me or anyone until the meeting was over because he did not want to interrupt Jehovah. I was so mad. Then the elders let me drive him to the hospital alone. No one even called the ambulance for me. Such love. That is how we can tell it is the true religion by the love we see among them. That is what we learned last night also.

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JW urban legends

by kurtbethel in

i scraped these off of a jw message group, and they are too over the top to not pass along.

it is interesting to see that jws pass along these yarns just as their worldly friends do.

most of them have that vague "friend of a friend" quality that urban legends are well know for having.

verystupid77

Hear is another one.

The art of forgiveness
Here is an experience that is good to meditate on
It talks about a young 22 yr old pioneer brother that was out in service.

He went to a door and the householder showed irritation at his presence.

The man told him to wait and he came back armed and shot the brother.

The brother died there. During his trial, the man said that he hated Jehovah's Witnesses and had warned that he would kill the first person to knock on his door.

The man was found guilty and was sentenced to prison. Years later he was released and went back to live in the same house. The brothers in
the congregation were warned and avoided preaching at that house.

But there was a brother that desired to visit that house again. He was advised against it, but he insisted and was given permission to visit the house.

The brother figured that time spent in prison had changed the man. So he went to the murderers home. The man was very surprised to see him
and asked him if he knew that he had killed a witness before. The brother said he did know and this surprised the man. He was curious to know
the kind of man capable of knocking on his door so he invited the brother in and a Bible study was started.

The months passed and the truth became clear to the man. He came to know a God capable of forgiving even the most serious sins. His spiritual progress was evident, but at the invitation of attending the Kingdom Hall, the man declined. He said he couldn't go to the Hall if the parents of the young brother he had killed were not able to forgive him also. The brother told him, "It's not necessary.

Jehovah has forgiven you. He doesn't keep account of what you did before you knew the truth." Even so, the man was reluctant to accept the invitation to the Hall. He insisted in needing the forgiveness from the father of the young brother he had killed.

Otherwise he would not go to the Hall. The brother asked him, "Do you really need that? Do you really need the father of the young man to forgive you?"

When the man told him he did, the brother said to him, "Consider yourself forgiven because I am the father of that young man you killed." Today, both are serving in the same congregation and yearn for the day when Jehovah will bring back to life that young man in the resurrection. The discourse concluded shortly after this, showing the value of genuine forgiveness. Certainly that experience touched the hearts of all that heard it. It's difficult, but not impossible, the art of forgiveness.

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The meetings at the Kingdom Hall now are positively scary

by BonaFide in

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what was i thinking my entire life?

during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.

and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.

verystupid77

BonsFide

I thought the same thing. I was just really in shock. I know many have responded that this has always been the case, but no they are getting worse. I swear they are. The comments that everyone was making were out of this world. They said it did not matter even if the counsel was wrong or bad or not right that we just needed to accept it no matter what because Jehovah would want us to, we just needed to make it fit. I was like oh my God!!!

We are told we have to listen to the elders no matter what but then when we do and it all goes wrong for us then we are blamed for putting our trust in imperfect men and not keeping out trust in Jehovah.

I just wish my husband would wake up it is truly scarring me.

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So, how many of you stayed single or childless for the sake of the Kingdom? And how many people in your Hall are single or childless for that reason?

by BonaFide in

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in my hall growing up, i remember 6 childless couples.

some have died, some are still alive.. i stayed single for the kingdom, hope to change that.. presently in my congregation, there are 4 brothers over 30, two over 40, that are single for the kingdom.

and about 10 single sisters over 25.. three of the five married elders have no children.

verystupid77

We did. But it was not only for the Kingdom there were problems in both of our families and I was so afraid that I might pass on something. Maybe I would have because I would have raised them to be JW's and how horribly sad would that have been. I regret is sometimes but all in all there are many couples that are childless outside the org also. I do not know I have mixed feeling about it but it was truly my choose.

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Can most Witnesses distinguish between God and the WT Organization?

by BonaFide in

yesterday, in one of those conversations i try to have, i talked to an older sister.

she was waiting outside the hall for her ride, so i sat down and talked to her, just about like old times as a witness, theocratic history.

she has been baptized 38 years.. anyway, i was saying about why did some leave in 1975. she replied, "well, they got impatient with jehovah, and they took it out on him by leaving.".

verystupid77

No and I so wish they could. I had a conversation on Saturday very much like yours with an 83 year old sister who felt that she still might not be in the new system because she could still do some serious sin to get Jehovah's disapproval. HOW SAD is that.

It would not be God's disapproval but the WT's disapproval. They just cannot see the difference.

Flippers post on the June 15 WT is amazing they truly believe that the WT and the Organization are the same. I was talking with my strong JW husband last night and the WT is so clear that we have to follow the FDS no matter what. He still cannot see it expect when it comes to their stand on pedophiles then he can.

To me it is all just so unbelievably sad.

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Elder Says My Daughter's Promotion & Job Success From Devil!

by minimus in

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an elder and his wife paid my mom a friendly shepherding call and they asked how my ex was doing.

she said, "fine, as far as she knows".

then they asked about my daughter and my mother praised her for her hard work and the fact that she won a special award within her company in which she gave a speech for, and then the former bethel elder said, "well, that's how satan the devil gets people, through praise and making people feel that their work is more important than anything else".

verystupid77

If I had to make up a religion that's sole purpose was to destroy people's faith and destroy people's lives, I could never come up with anything more effective than the WTS.

I totally agree. The make Jehovah out to be this evil God who can kill you in a heart beat if He gets made at you for anything.

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Legitimate Business that COULD be a Pedophile

by Elsewhere in

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to start, i have to say that the ice cream truck is a perfectly legitimate business.

i remember having fun with my fiends as we chased it down so we could buy some ice cream during the hot summer months.

even today i sort-of perk up when i hear the music in the distance.. .

verystupid77

I have always thought that. But I was molested as a kid. The guys who run those trucks always gave me the creeps. I would never let a kid buy ice-cream from them. I know it is just something kids do. But coming from where I saw it I just did not like them.

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How Much Influence Do Elders's Wives Have On JC Decisions?

by african GB Member in

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what happens when someone whom they don't like is on jc?.

we all know elders can't keep jc matters secret,is it possible that they make decisions that would make their wives happy and therefore maintaining unity in their families?.

gb.

verystupid77

I was an elders wife for 21 years and new nothing unless some stupid publisher told me. My husband never said a word. Now other elders, well I had one elder tell me a whole bunch of confidential stuff, but I know he never told his wife. Go figure. But NO WAY did I have any say in JC's,

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So I visited birthday party of my dad and brother ... after 18 years!!!

by Albert Einstein in

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this week my dad and my brother celebrated in my brothers house their birthday (they were born almost on the same date...).

none of my family is a jw.. i shortly called my brother on that morning and asked if i can come over.

he said ok, so i came to his house, told them iam learning to celebrate birthdays again and gave them a bottle of good wine for my brother and a big bottle of good honey for my dad (he is sick).

verystupid77

I am glad you get to enjoy your dad before it is to late.

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This Thread Is For Elders & Those Affected By Them

by minimus in

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as an ex- elder, i can look back and see all the power and control we had as "shepherds".

when i was an elder i genuinely tried to comply with anything "mother" demanded of us.

i would reason that since "mother knows best", i would comply with the organization, even if it didn't quite seem so fair or right.. as time went by, i could not help but see the unfairness of soooo many rules and regulations.

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Your family be damned, we need your husband/father as an elder... Sorry!

How vert true those words are.

I was an elders wife for all of our marriage. It was hell. I was never that proud of my husband for being an elders as I was hurt. He is older than I am and when we married he was already an elder.

He gave everything to the congregation and so much of the time there was nothing left to give me. I remember talking with the CO when we were first married and telling the CO how hard I was finding it with my new husband having to be gone so much doing elder things. The CO responded to bad for you, your husband is needed by the hall first.

I am still so hurt by all that happened. Some of the young MS's wives also treated me like crap because I had a husband who was an elder and they wanted that glory. I was like you can have it I honestly just really wanted a husband really bad.

I remember one time this sister who claimed to be of the anointed called up and told me Friday night (did not ask but told me) that my husband would be coming over to spend the day with her the next day. I had things plained to do together that I had been really looking forward to doing with my husband. I told the sister that and that my husband would be over some other time she was MAD and told me to bad your husband is an elder first. I said I am sorry he is my husband and I really need him tomorrow. She was yelling at me and told me my husband had better be at her place the next day and hung up on me. I never told my husband she called and I turned the ringers off on the phones. We had a gtreat time the next day together and on Sunday at the meeting the old hag just glared at me but lucky for me she did not speak to me for well over a year. I learned a lot from that about standing up for myself as an elders wife.