Posts by truthlover

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WT Society wants Elders to Conceal Information to Psychiatrists- Elders Bk.

by flipper in

jw
friends

my wife and i have read carefully through chapter 5 of the new elders manual when we do our " personal study " in bed on saturday mornings !

so without further delay , notice this quote from the new elders manual, " there are times when an emotionally distressed christian may seek professional help.

whether a christian or his family pursues treatment from psychiatrists , psychologists, or therapists is a personal decision.

truthlover

It says" Whether a Christian or his family pursues treatment from psychiatrists, psychologists or therapists IS A PERSONAL MATTER...

This is where a lot of emotions come into play - the elders, whom you should trust, are giving "scriptural" counsel, the one receiving such counsel looks on them as god like and right in their decision making yet when a person needs that help - they should be encouraged to visit a professional, after scriptural admonition has been given.. talks with the rest of the family should be indicated so that everyone is on the same page, cause as we all know - a person in an emotional state should be monitored closely.... and bloodguilt comes into play at this point -- what if you counsel them not to go period! - then they commit suicide..who is at fault?? The ones who counseled that one are at fault -- had that happen in the cong.. -- she killed herself, then came all the dirt on her, then came the apostate and she will not be resurrected!! -- Who says!!

Jehovah knows that one's heart and mind at the time - only Jesus can judge and Mediate for her... we cant judge.

I went to her memorial service at the funeral hall anyway..

Not to pat myself on the back by letting you know, just that I do not agree and did not agree with the supidity of the elders stance -they did not attend..

The funderal home was packed..

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Children of adult ex-jw's

by man in black in

my wife and i were both jw's for the past 28 years.

we left two years ago, we wrote our da letters and split.. my wife felt very contained, there was no room to grow.

i started to fade slowly, but when my mom died, i saw the complete lack of love from the brothers and that sealed the deal for me.. we have two sons, 22 and 26, who we raised as witnesses, not the die hard type, just try and do your best.

truthlover

I am in, our son is not - at 14 he decided not to go to any more meetings, so we did not force him - he got into a lot of trouble, drinking, drugs, which in time ceased, but the fallout of all that is that he has nightmares of people dying, the earth being destroyed and has ruminated for years over the end of the world, never really having a relationship with someone, no trust of anymore with the exception of us, his parents, feels he really doesn't have a blood relative who he can talk to, has lo self esteem, and is currently attending a clinic for introspection, trying to find out why he thinks the way he does... after all our talks, I believe he was traumatized by the pictures and talks at the hall regarding armageddon, and it fused with his brain and memories so much that it screwed his feelings, attitudes and general outlook...

His health is shot, all stress related, chronic conditions - many and varied... we talk every day, we do not live near each other but not far either so we do support him and try to talk him thru the bad days

Had I only known!!!!

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Are some Jehovah's Witnesses delusional?

by asilentone in

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truthlover

My two cents

I am over the disillusionist part - now it's cold hard facts --they are not "THE WAY,THE TRUTH -many beliefs started around the same time in the 1800's - all suspect -- and yes, I do not want to leave my friends and family, what I have -- to old to change

just keep looking ahead and put a large ? mark by anything in the mags that is incorrect to my understanding of what the Bible says..

TL

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Making the final break - stopping attending the Memorial

by Eiben Scrood in

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friends

i started my fade in 2004 and completely quit regular attendance in 2005. i have, however, gone to all the memorials since.

i still consider myself christian and felt it was a somewhat decent way of respecting the sacrifice.. i am thinking of not going this year.. i am generally disgusted at what the memorial observation actually entails.

there is almost no talk about what jesus went through on that day or even the tremendous sacrifice involved and the love that motivated it.

truthlover

I agree with Laverite - go the the liquor store, get a bottle of kosher wine and make your own crackers without yeast, and have your own memorial at home to celebrate Jesus' memorial...

or if you go to the hall and don't partake, do it after your home, chicken way to do it but at that point, you are not following mans command not to do so either

I get a sick feeling in thinking I am rejecting Christ's death on my behalf and if I was strong enough, would be outta there.. some day til then I'm off to the L.S.

BTW: has any numbers been posted yet of this year's memorial partakers???

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Bible refers to women as "the weaker vessel" - you know why?

by sabastious in

because it's a self fullfilling prophecy!.

if you keep women couped up and force them to have only limited contact with the outside world they are going to appear sheltered and unlearned.

therefore when these oppressed women do things that are unlearned or immature all the men go "well they are the weaker vessel.".

truthlover

Weaker - hummmm not so, by my standards - I sit and hear the PO give talks and only alludes to the "Brothers" -- never Brothers AND sisters and it really boils me - so I told him about it, and nothing changed, so I must remind him again --

I was aware of this ridiculous woman bashing even when I was in the world,(all religions have this problem) the giving away by a father at the wedding to the new MAN - an exchange from one man to another and didn't like it then - although I must add that my marriage is a great one -- I could still not become a piece of property passed from my father to my husband -- just as it has been in thousands of years past -- its funny women don't see that but it has only been since 1930's that women have any kind of voice and even up to the 50's, she had to do what the old man said and could not have a voice.. now we really see a reversal in that there is not a real balance in the relationship and all hell has broken loose - the weaker vessel is doing her thing and life has become a lot harder to deal with cause the guys are just flustered at it all...

It's been a mans world for along time and they really don't want the status quo to change

Mostly the WTB$ refers it to a physical thing, not able to do the heavier jobs, etc. but as far as spiritual and intellectual, she is the equal of man, just a lot lower on the superiority scale

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Every publisher must pay for assembly costs???

by sacolton in

just saw this posted on watchtower uncensored .... .

want to hear the latest debacle?

the po in my mom's congregation told them that at the next 1-day-assembly it will be the responsibility of every publisher to put 3 in the box towards the running costs at the assembly hall.

truthlover

It's a given in Canada -- same format -- boxes, take in contrib..read report..get more monies., send leftover to society -- why??? It should be placed in a fund for next assembly..the society does not need it --

and along the lines of what Snakeface is saying, yes there is a lot of upkeep -- but guess who does that? and who pays for that.... The publishers -- and then pays the society back for the lend of the money to keep up the assembly hall, so the society is making money off the hall, and the DO/CO/elders will still send the leftover to the society... and we still have to take care of the expenses for our regular halls and the CO and the DO, and and and........

I do no give anymore as I used to, I give to the ones who need some help in the congregation.and know what is being done with it

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Oompa

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

he was in a very bad motorcycle accident on tuesday and is in the icu.. i think we could all send our oompa good vibes, prayers and healing angels.. .

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truthlover

Never good to hear of a bike accident -- so many things to go wrong without some protection--its now been 14 hours ++ and no word, hopefully Oompa will be coming out of it soon and someone will give an update -- its mostly his closest relative, is it not? Would that be his wife?and if he is out, then who would fall in line after that? This password - was that from the family so no JWN could contact him?

Hope all will work out well with Oompa! Miss his rantings... all the best

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2010 memorial partakers?

by isaacaustin in

not sure if this was previously posted...but how many partakers were there this year?

thoughts on if they are headed to making this number symbolic while still stressing earthly hope?

or simply leaving it as a literal number and claiming both groups gathered concurrently throughout time?

truthlover

What I don't understand is:

they tell us that somone who is partaking for the first year is not counted.... they have to pull that person aside and find out their reasonings..especially if they know the person, and hadn't partaken previously ---that being so...how come the numbers have been going up steadily yet the society says they are decreasing??

There was a person in our hall who had been a pub for years and then, bango, took the emblems for the first time -- they did not count it on the report that was sent to the society for tracking purposes...said the person was tending towards apostasy

TL

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...Who is the "Bilderberg Group"?...What effect Do they Have on your Life?...

by OUTLAW in

this thread is your chance to participate in an investigation... google is your friend..use it... .

the "bilderberg group" is a publicy known group..they don`t hide... they are the worlds "most" powerful people.. they influence your life everyday... they will influence your future... they have an agenda..and..have made a public statement about it... i will make the 1st post... of a public statement made by the "bilderberg group"... .

denis healey.

truthlover

Well IMHO our race is doing it to themselves now anyway -- abortions, reduced birth rates will give the Muslim folks control of the world within 20 years as they are having 8 children per household on average vs 1.3 of the "christian" households.. so the Builderburgs won't have a leg to stand on.... the Muslims would not allow it

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Do you think your baptism is still valid?

by karter in

jw
friends

i got baptised about 25 years ago and was told the new system would be here by now.. along with a lot of other false promises.. so the answer for me would be no!!

!.

truthlover

I really don't know -- now the new baptismal question ignores "baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit" so when I was baptized, it was included -- does'nt the holy spirit need to be in the questions asked now -- Matt 28:19.20 and as I am still in, do I just comply with this erroneous question to be answered with a "yes" ??

So maybe my baptism is not valid now....