Posts by thebigdebate

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Opinions?

by chappy in

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i can't get this to woek as a hyperlink for some reason.

copy and paste it to your browser.

if this doesn't make you think i don't know what will.

thebigdebate

Makes sense to me. Most ideas get recycled into other ideas, just like religion.

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Wife Angry! Witnesses only call around to "count time" never casual calls??

by Witness 007 in

on the weekend 2 sets of witnesses called on us during witnessing {we are both in-active now}....what's going on i thought!!

......c.o visit with a theme of "encouraging those weak in the faith.

" so, witnesses start calling after a year and a half, but only offical like during witnessing time....mistake number two, they "placed" 17 watchtowers with my wife.....mistake three, a sister said she was "concerned" about my wife like she was mental or something!

thebigdebate

Can you call him back and put me down for 2 hours? They quite calling me for my time. I used to be a full time Pioneer about 13 years ago (1000 wasted hours). I wish that I could get those back.

PS. How much time is spent counting time? LOL

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still saying the end is near !!!!!!!!!!!!!

by mattbetrayed in

went to a convention to keep the wife happy but so glad i did as they still are saying that they are the only ones to be saved the rest of us all dead and that the young ones should not get educated but be pioneers dont get jobs but further the wtbs way of life have nothink like christ but they have the best things the life they have in the bethel is good best food etc good cars they dont have to pay for they are real false prophets just cult masters nothing else i try to show my wife that these people are false but to me it is superstitionon her part makes me sick they are still banging on about the end of the world and that god is going to kill us all i have never belived that my god of love would do that why send your son our saviour if you want kill the whole planet save a few noway .

still they are so wrong just thought i would let you guys know that they still think that they are the only true servants of god how sad they are so not allowed to check there own history i did and saw god was not there bless you all christ saves if you really know him jesus love you all

thebigdebate

The end is very close now - right? If it was close 130 years ago, it must be very close now!! I remember thinking that is is so close that I wont have to take showers in school with the other kids in High school. That is a true story!!

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Fate & Bible Prophecies-what do you think?

by DisconnectingDrone in

jw's are taught that there is no fate-if fate existed no one would be responsible for what they did?

however, i always thought their explanation of jehovah selectively looking into the future was fuzzy.

take the prophecy of cyrus conquering babylon and freeing the israelites back home.

thebigdebate

This is one of the reasons that I have a problem with the Bible. There are too many contridictions in it. Lot was a good man, worthy of being saved but he had sex with his daughters because he was drunk? This story is wrong on so many levels. Samson had powers from jehovah because of his long hair and now JW men cant have long hair because Jehovah dont like long hair. Jehovah said that all men had to cut their penis and now he dont care if we do or dont? Noah built an ark and went and got 2 of each animal and after that he had the time to go put the penguins back? Sounds like a bunch of story's

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I NEED YOUR HELP !!

by thebigdebate in

here is my story:.

i was born and raised a jw.

i aux pioneered (60 hours) in the summers when school was out.

thebigdebate

Funny thing:

I told my dad how I felt about the Generation garbage, and he told me that jw's never made a big thing about it !!! Ha Ha Ha.

I said you got to be kidding me, it was my presentation at the door. I used to read the inside cover of the Awake mags to the house holder then ask them if they wanted the mags. He said that he didn't remember that, is that because he was programed to forget about the generation? It reminded me about the movie MEN IN BLACK when they waived the light thing in front of them to erase there memory.

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I NEED YOUR HELP !!

by thebigdebate in

here is my story:.

i was born and raised a jw.

i aux pioneered (60 hours) in the summers when school was out.

thebigdebate

Billy:

One of my big things (for questioning the Borg) was the "Generation" thing. It was easy for me because I grew up thinking that it can only be 1 or 2 more years because people from 1914 were 80 or 90 years old. Why is it that NEW UNDERSTANDING always comes when they were wrong about dates?

I am thinking that not debating it might be the best answer. I agree that I dont think that anything that I say will change anything. The only thing that gives me hope is seeing all of the people on here that were Pioneers, Elders, MS's, ect. I just wonder if I can get them to question something and get them looking into it.

My goal:

I would love for my Dad and Grandma to be able to practice UNCONDITIONAL LOVE (They are shunning my brother because he is DF'd). I dont know how they miss that in the Bible (I know that it is the Borgs teaching).

By the way, I bet $50 on Justin Morneau in the home run derby tonight and won $250. (Very happy)

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I NEED YOUR HELP !!

by thebigdebate in

here is my story:.

i was born and raised a jw.

i aux pioneered (60 hours) in the summers when school was out.

thebigdebate

That looks perfect for what I need !! Thank you very much. Now I need to put it together and show it to her !!

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Help pls download WT Library

by zakheyold in

pls help me find free downloadable full watch tower library (all publications) in text format (editable) (txt, doc, html etc) for 1917 - 1949 years or for any subperiod.

thank you very much for helping.

ps sorry for my terrible english, it isnt my native lang.

thebigdebate

I went on eBay and was able to buy a disk of all the old watchtowers from the 1879 to 1945. You should check there. If you need any of them I can email them to you.

I NEED YOUR HELP !!

by thebigdebate in

here is my story:.

i was born and raised a jw.

i aux pioneered (60 hours) in the summers when school was out.

thebigdebate

Here is my story:

I was born and raised a JW. I Aux Pioneered (60 hours) in the summers when school was out. I was a Regular Pioneer (1000 hours per year) when I turned 18 because my Dad and Grandmother said that was the right thing to do. I only finished 1 year of Star Pioneering (From 1 end of the teritory to the other - to waste time). I did attend Pioneer school. That was about 13 years ago. I have since faded about 2 years ago (attended about 10 meeting (1 convention) in about 2 years). I am fulling convinced that it is a bunch of BS (after doing my research on the Borg). I have read the Gentile Times Reconsidered & Crisis. I have been thinking about just fading out and remaining inactive. The only problem is that my Dad and Grandmother are all the way in (Dad and Grandfather (Grandfather only becuase he listing to Grandma) are Elders). My brother in DF'd (one of my best friends), (my sister is inactive and dating a worldly guy). I have thought about DA myself but I dont know if it is worth giving up the rest of my family (I dont think that it is) I have 4 kids and I dont want them around the Borg. My wife is now also ready to get out (She just got 4 tattoo's in the last couple of months).

Here is the Problem:

I had a Chat with my grandmother and told her how I feel. I told her that 1914 and 607BCE is a bunch of crap. Now she went to the Borg's books (Insight book) and printed up there answers. She wants me to come over and go over the material that she found ( I already read the Borg's answers to 607BCE). Because she is going to listen to everying the Borg say's, she will not look at The Gentile Times Reconsidered. The question and help that I need is: How do I show her that 1914 and 607 is a bunch of crap with out showing her the book?

I need to go over there and talk with her about this sometime this week. I don't know if it is worth it to keep this going and debating this with her, because if I do I will most likely get DF'd and I dont know if that is worth it. Or should I just go over there and agree with the insight book and say - Now it makes sense to me and then just let it go?

Sorry for any spelling or grammer mistakes (I had to quite HS so I could pioneer) True Story !!

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I NEED YOUR HELP !!

by thebigdebate in

here is my story:.

i was born and raised a jw.

i aux pioneered (60 hours) in the summers when school was out.

thebigdebate

Here is my story:

I was born and raised a JW. I Aux Pioneered (60 hours) in the summers when school was out. I was a Regular Pioneer (1000 hours per year) when I turned 18 because my Dad and Grandmother said that was the right thing to do. I only finished 1 year of Star Pioneering (From 1 end of the teritory to the other - to waste time). I did attend Pioneer school. That was about 13 years ago. I have since faded about 2 years ago (attended about 10 meeting (1 convention) in about 2 years). I am fulling convinced that it is a bunch of BS (after doing my research on the Borg). I have read the Gentile Times Reconsidered & Crisis. I have been thinking about just fading out and remaining inactive. The only problem is that my Dad and Grandmother are all the way in (Dad and Grandfather (Grandfather only becuase he listing to Grandma) are Elders). My brother in DF'd (one of my best friends), (my sister is inactive and dating a worldly guy). I have thought about DA myself but I dont know if it is worth giving up the rest of my family (I dont think that it is) I have 4 kids and I dont want them around the Borg. My wife is now also ready to get out (She just got 4 tattoo's in the last couple of months).

Here is the Problem:

I had a Chat with my grandmother and told her how I feel. I told her that 1914 and 607BCE is a bunch of crap. Now she went to the Borg's books (Insight book) and printed up there answers. She wants me to come over and go over the material that she found ( I already read the Borg's answers to 607BCE). Because she is going to listen to everying the Borg say's, she will not look at The Gentile Times Reconsidered. The question and help that I need is: How do I show her that 1914 and 607 is a bunch of crap with out showing her the book?

I need to go over there and talk with her about this sometime this week. I don't know if it is worth it to keep this going and debating this with her, because if I do I will most likely get DF'd and I dont know if that is worth it. Or should I just go over there and agree with the insight book and say - Now it makes sense to me and then just let it go?

Sorry for any spelling or grammer mistakes (I had to quite HS so I could pioneer) True Story !!