after reading on the way out's thread about his mom explaining the generation overlap to him it kicked this idea into my head to make this thread .
i thought it would be helpful to see if anybody here has had jw relatives or friends try to explain this " generation overlap " theory to you as a faded or inactive witness and what happened in the conversations.
so please feel free to post your experiences.
Mr Flipper,
When I TRIED to speak to my mom about that doctrine change, she became extremely angry. She said that I didn't remember it right. And then she said that I was too busy with my friends(said in a very nasty tone) to pay attention. It was a very disagreeable one sided conversation to say the least. Oh yeah, the evil internet played a part in this too.
I think the hostility speaks volumes. And I left it alone after that.
M
google_ad_section_start back ground: been da'd for 17 years, bio mother and step father uber jw's, step father elder.
since da'ing my mother has always sorta kept in contact with me...until recently.. three years ago i started dating a guy, my bio father and step mother did not approve of.
my mother loved it, she fed off it.
That just sucks. I've had similar issues. NOTHING like that though. The worse was my dad telling me that if I married out of the "truth", that he wouldn't be there.
The other was the congregation throwing my parents an anniversary party. When the organizers asked for a guest list from my parents, I was NOT on it. And it was hidden from me until my sister-in-law accidentally spilled the beans. I was PISSED to say the least. And I'm not even disfellowshipped. One of those, "maybe this will touch her heart" BS.
All I could do was move on and love my parents anyway. Which I'm glad I did. I lost my dad a few months ago. We had made our peace. There was nothing really left unsaid. And regardless of that rotten religion, I KNOW he loved me.
I've never regretted biting my tongue and letting things go.
hang in there
M
is this the latest bs to pacify the multiple thousands of singles who are made veritable eunochs because of this organization?
...when i tearfully blurted out that i just couldn't carry on any longer!
i mean almost three decades, for g*ds sake!
Clarity,
I don't comment on here much but your post touched me. First of all, welcome.
Secondly, in my 20's I was told to move back in with my parents, NOT to work full time, and that a SINGLE sister shouldn't buy her own home. OH! And no college either!! I'm so HAPPY I didn't listen. I left the organization when I was 26. I'm 42 now. I've not married. BUT, I have my own home, a college education, wonderful career and a retirement. And just recently, I've had a wonderful man come into my life(one who appreciates my strength unlike "brothers" who think it's "forward" or "unseemly"). NONE of this would've happened if I've stayed.
Think for yourself, Clarity. It sounds like you're doing a great job of that already. You will find so many true friends outside the organization. The ones inside are conditional.
The best to you!!!
M
my husband just rescued a pitbull-mix puppy from living neglected under a hole in the stairwell of an apartment across the parking lot from his place.
she had no tags and was unleashed- free-ranging in the parking lot.. i was sceptical at first as i have heard that pit bulls are very dog agressive.
when i aked our vet about it (i have a black lab mix, 1.5 yrs, as well) she said that all the folks at that vet owned pits and as long as the puppy is well socialized and rained well she will be fine.. the puppy, butters, is already a little agressive- she fights to get her food before it is on the floor and she has growled at another big pit bull at petsmart when my husband took her there.. butters will be flying here (tucson) this evening.
I'm taking the other side....Pits can and are wonderful dogs. But they do present special challenges. They are in the terrier group. Research terriers as a whole. As with any group pits were bred to do certain things. Bad breeding and BAD OWNERS have made this a very demonized group. If you want to see a success story go to Best Friends Animal Sanctuary's website. They are the group that rescued and rehabilitated Michael Vick's dogs. Also spaying is one way to reduce any type of aggression. Obedience classes are great. Cesar Milan has good advice too. You can Google him. Food aggression is normal to any breed. That's going back to their wild roots. Remember these are animals. PEOPLE put human personality traits onto them.
I don't deny that they can be dangerous. But so can any other breed. In previous generations it was the Doberman or the German Shepherd.
I personally know of 2 pits that are therapy dogs and allowed into nursing homes. And they don't wear muzzles. AND law enforcement is using these dogs as search and rescue, drug detection and tracking dogs. And not all LE dogs are aggression trained, so they aren't looking to the breed for that. All dogs need a job.
You've done a good thing by rescueing this puppy. Give it a chance. Education is your best resource.
the best to you and your family......
i'm not sure if i heard correctly on a bbc radio program this week but someone may have said that in the u.s. if you go behind on your mortgage payments and you simply hand in the keys and give up the home that's it.
in the u.k. if you do, i believe you are still liable for the shortfall owing.. e.g.
mortgage owing = 100,000. house repossessed and sold by bank for 60,000. the bank still pursue you for the 40,000 shortfall.. is this the same in the u.s.?.
Sometimes......but right now there are so many foreclosures and people walking away that it takes more money for the mortgage companies to go after people then it does to just write it off.
The market here is saturated with foreclosures. Mortgage companies just don't have the time or money to go after everyone.
M
labradors or poodles?
siamese or calicos?
tough choices had to be made.
Anything with feline DNA to start........
then it's all up for grabs except for "Feline food on the hoof"......
M
i have a friend who has been in bethel for 15 years.
he is still single and looking for the right girl.
he is a really nice guy, he tries to help people in his congregation, the young people, the older ones.
Absolutely!!! Some of the most loving people I know are Jehovah's Witnesses.
What you said, yesidid...
I'm specifically thinking of my parents......
M
the dodo bird maybe?.
Saber Tooth Tiger
....i am so frikkin obsessed about the jw lies and my newfound truths about them, and it is prob driving me crazy or causing depression.....if i wake up in the middle of the night, i never get back to sleep as my mind starts racing about jw crap and how it affects my marriage, and then how can i make this marriage work with her such a hardcore dub....i told my wife i now realize i am an abusive husband.....i must stop talking to her about the real truth!!
!..........it is killing her inside and we have had soooo many bad discussions that turn into arguments......on top of that she says she is now closer to jah and the org than at any other time in her life, that now that she has no positive direction from me, she relies totally on jehovah and prays to him more than ever..... we talked about separation, and that i was going to lose her over our religious differences........i feel so sorry for what i have put her through, and i know that if i can not really shut up with my ohsohelpful comments of truths about this truth she will leave me due to "spiritual endangerment".......and she said she is damm close to that happening.....i told her i knew it to and would so hate to lose her due to our religious differences.
at my recent shepherding call, they said to try and stop focusing on the negatives i have found in jw, and focus on the good things...and that is not a bad idea even if i never go back to meetings....there are good things about dubs....the efforts at ending racism and at least for me, some really good lifelong friends.......even their hope for the future was pretty good to me, even though it is a bunch of crap and i no longer believe the bible is gods word or inspired.....it does have some good suggestions for a happy life and ideas as to how to treat others........but so do just about every holy book of other faiths........ i had plans to start going to some meetings with my wife, but today, after a sleepless night i told her i just dont think i can do it, and just as she strongly believes it is the truth, i do not, and that i think the guys on the gb are not led by holy spirit cause if she will read the proclaimers book, she will see we have never gotten a single bible inerpretation of prophecy correct.......so she says "so what is there?
Oompa..
There are many words of wisdom in these posts. I would never presume to tell you what to do. I can only relate my own experience. Granted it's not in a marriage BUT it has to do with my parents.
I love my parents more than anyone in the world. I'm especially close with my Dad. I would do ANYTHING for him. But I can't pretend and stay in the JW's even though that's what he wants me to do. About 2 yrs ago, I started crying and told him that I love him more than anyone or anything but that I can't do the religion for him. He told me that he wouldn't want me to do it for the wrong reasons.
Maybe taking that tactic with your wife could help? Tell her how much you love her but that you can't pretend to be someone you're not. Just a thought.
Many many hugs to you Oompa!!!
Mandette
http://www.svetoch.org/en/calling_all_people_for_immortality/calling_all_people_for_immortality_2.html.
wow!.
jeff.
bet they can make a scripture fit their beliefs too!!
EGADS!!!Creepy!!!!! And it sounds vaguely familar! HMMMM......
