Posts by cameo-d

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Rich Templet Kills Himself in Portland Last Week!

by new boy in

yes... it true another jw / xjw kills himself.. i saw him in kells irish pub in february.

there is a cigar room in the basment there.

he was puffing away, as i was...i looked over at him and his new girl friend.

cameo-d

New Boy,

I am sorry about your friend. Here is a website that offers counseling for JWs trying to leave. You may want to check it out and pass on the info to others.

“When I first came out of the religion I went from having this great support network to having nothing,” says Ms Underhill. “All my friends, family and people from the church didn’t want to know me.” The site she created, called exJW-Reunited.co.uk, is now a year old and has recently started to offer Britain’s first ever live online counselling service for ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Once a week, Lisa Magdalena, a qualified counsellor who ran away from the sect aged 16, is online to answer questions and provide support to anyone in the process of leaving – from finding new friends and a place to live, to dealing with the hurt and guilt of being cut off from family.

“Witnesses are taught never to seek help, which is why I’m so passionate about this website,” says Ms Magdalena. “There are really high rates of suicide and depression among people that leave, and I want to be able to help people to get their lives back on track.”

Ms Magdalena, 38, has seen first-hand the tragedy that the religion’s extreme code can wreak on families. In the 1970s, when she was just two years old, her father, Keith Playford, died. He had continually refused blood transfusions that would have saved his life after a simple dental procedure to remove teeth went wrong. Just before he died, doctors made legal history by forcing him to receive blood, to no avail.

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South Africa Court Saves Baby's Life

by fjtoth in

news 24. cape town, south africa.

court saves baby's life.

09/07/2008 09:37 - (sa) .

cameo-d

Not only is that good news and a victory...but finally the media has heard your voices and (in some areas) are starting to speak out about the evils of the Watchtower. I expect to see more and more "worldly" people standing up to them.

Just look what this source had to say about WTS in an ad lib at the end of the story:

from: Judge orders baby to be given blood transfusion

.........

They knew that their refusal meant signing the death warrant for the child.”

She said it was fortunate that the Constitution protected human life as this was what saved the boy.

“What a difficult decision to make and what grace that our Constitution protects life.”
[...]

According to South African law only medical superintendents can grant approval on behalf of parents. Private hospitals, however, don‘t have superintendents which was when Crouse got involved.

- Source: Gareth Wilson, Judge orders baby to be given blood transfusion, The Herald, South Africa, July 9, 2008 — Summarized by Religion News Blog

While the Watchtower Society (the organization behind Jehovah’s Witnesses) claims to represent God, its leaders can not make up their minds about what He says.
They have come up with their own version of the Bible (necessary to support the organization’s unbiblical teachings), constantly go back and forth on a wide variety of issues, and keep getting their prophecies about the end of the world wrong. See these quotes — from their own publications — for documentation.
Here is the Watchtower’s history on the issue of blood. Many Jehovah’s Witnesses (or their kids) have died as a result of that nonsense. Would you trust your life — and that of your loved ones — to these quacks?
Theologically, Jehovah’s Witnesses is a cult of Christianity. Sociologically, the movement has cult-like elements as well. (Note the sociological vs. theological definitions of the term ‘cult.’)
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21744/jehovah-witnesses-blood-transfusion
I think this website, JWD, has been very instrumental in reaching influential people in all walks of life that may have never been associated with Jehovah's Witnesses.
In the past, Witnesses would have viewed any negativity about the Organization as "persecution". But with so much research and documentation on the absurdities and lies being brought forth, and commentaries from people in positions to help (and not just "apostates spreading lies") I think many trapped Witnesses will find the courage to leave soon.

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Muslims Influenced by WBTS

by cameo-d in

scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

cameo-d

a grand unification theroy, that will tie all things together

Maybe it will come about through compromise within all religions.

For example, just look how quickly old traditions are changing. Religious views and practices can change overnight.

Landmark new Shariah law gives UK Muslim women rights

Religion News Blog, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Aug. 9, 2008 News Summary
www.religionnewsblog.com

Is this the beginning of a new European Islam?

The contract itself is very specific. The husband has to agree not to:
• abuse his wife/child(ren) verbally, emotionally, physically, or sexually
• be absent from the marital home for more than 60 days unless by agreement
• withhold money towards his wife/family
• transmit disease
• interfere with the wife’s property
In return, the wife agrees to abide by all of that as well - except for the provision not to withhold money from the household.

Earlier you said: What other religion abuses women and gives them no rights

So, what do you think now???

And what does this say to all of us about the future of government regulated religions???

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My only gripe is

by Peppermint in

jw
friends

i'm not going anywhere.

it's here or nowhere.

(i can hear the wailing the streets as i type)

cameo-d

There are some boards out there that are in need of editing and input. Here's one on Jehovah's Witnesses that has a link to "Jehovah's witnesses eschatology" and yet, NO information when you click the link. But a great opportunity awaits as it is open to be edited.

http://christianity.wikia.com/index.php?title=Eschatology_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses&action=edit

I bet there are a lot of places that could use some editing work!

And don't forget some of those websites like "answers".

Hopefully members from here will be out looking for opportunities to leave footprints everywhere.

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One World Religion

by cameo-d in

do you think it is a good thing or a bad thing?.

will it solve the world's problems?.

do you believe it can happen?.

cameo-d

Do you think it is a good thing or a bad thing?

Why? or why not?

Will it solve the world's problems?

Do you believe it can happen?

Do you believe it will happen?

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Muslims Influenced by WBTS

by cameo-d in

scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

cameo-d

You are changing the topic of your own thread

Not intending to, thanks for bringing me back to point.

It's just that as I explore this, one thing seems to lead to another.

I cannot find much info on how *specifically* Muslim teachings have been influenced by Watchtower. I would like to know that and wondered if anyone here was more familiar.

I guess I am taking stabs to find a common link that would tie world religions together in order to enable a one world religion to develop.

That is really the thought behind my search.

Here is another link that runs throughout:

Abrahamic religions are monotheistic faiths — such as, Judaism, Islam and Christianity — that recognise a spiritual tradition identified with Abraham. [1] [2] [3] Other religions that identify in this way, such as the Bahá'í Faith and Druze, are also sometimes included. [4] Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total population. Today, there are around 3.8 billion followers of various Abrahamic religions. [

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion

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Muslims Influenced by WBTS

by cameo-d in

scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

cameo-d

I was interested in following up on this "green man" thing. It seems to have a connection to "christianity". Here's what I found:

Green Men

Green Man of the chapel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Chapel

The profusion of carved symbolism is extraordinary throughout the chapel, ranging from biblical allegory to pagan symbolism. One of the best-known images is of the Green Man, of which there are at least 103 representations inside the chapel alone, with an additional number on the exterior and roof as well. Art historians have noted that Rosslyn Chapel has the greatest number of Green Man images of any medieval chapel in Europe.

Green Man carvings are also found in ancient eastern temples, in the Apo Kayan area of Borneo, the chapels of Dhankar Gompa in the Himalayas, in the temples of Kathmandu and in the Jain temples of Ranakpur, and in Roman buildings. In short, the Green Man is a universal theme with very early roots.

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Given that we now know for certain that Rosslyn Chapel was built by the St Clair family specifically as a Christian edifice it seems clear that the Green Men within the chapel were, by 1446, no longer pagan but had been adopted as a Christian symbol.

http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/the_green_man.htm

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Do you think there is a common thread somewhere in this?

Is Green Man indeed a "universal theme"?

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Muslims Influenced by WBTS

by cameo-d in

scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

cameo-d

What other religion abuses women and gives them no rights.

Watchtower. (disprove it)

It is a religion of intimidation, fear and coerscion

So is Watchtower. (disprove it)

it is a political movement and is deeply intertwined as part of the religion

So is Watchtower. (disprove it)

....any establishment of a Kingdom and "god's government" is a political movement. When JWs say "I already voted. I voted for Jehovah's kingdom" are they not implying a political bent in the religion?

you might as well try to discuss Nazism as as a social club

Definition of Nazi social club:

5 meetings a week and you better show up or the enforcers come knocking

everyone must be on the same page; robots must answer questions with same phrases/ standard answers..i.e. "imperfect men" "wait on Jehovah"

No deviation. We must be like marching soldiers in giving over our minds to the cause.

anyone not in this club does not always deserve truthful answers. Lying is approved for your convenience.(becomes a secret society club)

If an "informed study" (initiate) rejects our teaching, god approves that you should hate them with the "godly hate"

anyone who betrays the club and its principles are subject to death by invisibility. And if you associate with those invisibles, then you will be terminated and declared invisible, too.

Sound familiar?

This Identity of Islam is "The Nation of Islam."

If Jehovah Witnesses believe that they will be the only ones to survive Armageddon and that they alone have the privelige of starting a new world, isn't that rather nationalistic?

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Muslims Influenced by WBTS

by cameo-d in

scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

cameo-d

al-Khidr, the Green One, Tests the Patience of Moses (Arabic areas) al-Khidr, the Green One (Swahili: Hishiri; Fulfulde: Halilu), a mythic hero, was the spokesman for the divine. He was associated with the sea, commanding the obedience of the four quarters; he was the deputy of God on the sea and his representative on the earth. He revealed esoteric doctrines to men of exceptional sanctity.

al-Khidr became immortal when he drank from the Well of Life.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O68-alKhdrthGrnnTststhPtncfMs.html

God's deputy?

God's representative on earth?

Do they have a form of FDS I wonder?

I have found various spellings for this. In ancient literature it is Al Khador, Al Khidor, Al Khidr.

I do NOT intend this as a political discussion. I would only like to discuss the theological impacts of this and would like to present more information on this topic as it applies to scriptural comparisons and any commonality.

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Muslims Influenced by WBTS

by cameo-d in

scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

cameo-d

sorry for going off topic Cameo. I tried to edit, but to no avail

It's Ok Ty. It was interesting to see your reaction. I did not write the article, I only cited it. Your reaction was to the article but not to my hypothesis.

The point I am trying to make is that if there is indeed some influence from Watchtower embedded in the Muslim religion, then there must be a common point in there somewhere.

If there is a common thread that can be found among all religions, would this not indicate a basis for an eventual merger?

As this is the goal of the "one world religion" could it be that these wheels were set in motion long ago?