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  Where is the outrage?

  by Warlock in

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  where is the outrage over russia's invasion of georgia?.

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  cameo-d

  I can't help but wonder if they are "setting the stage" for something bigger. I believe all of these things are being contrived.

  There has been talk of implementing the draft in the USA.

  Also, for the past few years, military forces from Nat. Guard to local police to Fema, have been training under UN policies.

  If draft gets started and most of the able bodied men are taken out of the country...not to mention how many are already scattered out in military troops to foreign countries right now... it might be easier to pull off an internal holocaust action. If you get my drift.

  Many people expect Armageddon to be an actual military war. I wonder if this is the plan.

  Once they can convince people that the military "Armageddon" has already happened, it will be easier to begin to put the one world government into place and then "begin to restore earth to make it their paradise."

  If it's a big enough war people will believe it. If US and Iran jump in the fray and all nations end up in a big war (which I think is being manipulated at this moment) I think the masses will believe it's armageddon.

  And meantime while this "armageddon war" is going on, if a round-up of dissenters happens here, no one will notice. After all, why do we have over 800 prison Fema camps in the US. What's the purpose? There must be a plan.
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  First Kill

  by cameo-d in

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  2. bible

  in genesis 3:7 we are told that adam and eve made the first clothing out of plant material.. (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate).

  why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them?

  (genesis 3:21 (septaugint) says "leather tunics").

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  cameo-d

  And he(cameo-d) has not yet replied to my question.

  possible-san,

  I did reply to your question. My reply is the post just above your last post.

  This is what you said:

  Are you a person who does not kill any animal?
  
  I have not killed the animal until now.
  However, I eat beef, pork, and chicken.

  Don't you eat?Moreover, have not you eaten them once until now?

  After seeing the reply from you, I judge whether you are a hypocrite.

  And this is my answer:

  possible-san,

  You are missing my point. I am not talking about killing animals for food. That is a very different subject.

  I am talking about "god" being the first killer mentioned in the Bible because he killed an animal to make clothes for Adam and eve.

  A Creator would not destroy his masterpiece. A Creator would be very capable of making clothing from something other than an animal.

  If humans are created in the same image as the Creator, that should mean not just physical characteristics, but feelings and emotions as well.

  This was my question and the point of my intended subject here:

  The book of Enoch says it was the evil angels, the Nephilim, who first began to hurt the animals. I am asking the question, do you think its possible that this "god" is actually an evil spirit and not our Creator? Look at his actions.

  These are the reasons that lead me to come to this question.

  Also, no one wanted to take responsibility for their actions.

  Adam: "Eve gave it to me, so I ate it."

  Eve: "well, the old serpent talked me into it."

  God: "Well, heck, why don't we just give Fido a whippin for it and let him take the blame!

  Somebody's got to pay for the damages to my tree. Make up your mind. Off with your head, or will it be Fido?"

  So, the family dog ends up taking the punishment. "god" probaly roasts and eats the dog and makes a muu-muu and loin cloth for the perpertraters.

  Really, it's still the same way today as far as some of these rituals. It's based on the fact that people will not take responsibility for their actions as well as illogical tradition.

  Take for instance, voodoo. The houngan (voodoo priest) takes a live chicken and rubs it all over the sinner seated in proxy before him. This act supposedly transfers the sins of the sinner (or the whole group if he is sitting in proxy) to the chicken. Now how can this even be logical? If I rub my cat on my head, does this mean that my cat is now guilty of something I did wrong? According to tradition, it must be a magical transfer. Anyway, then, the chicken is now imbued with sin and killed as a sacrifice.

  People freak out about this type of animal killing. But hey! Guess what? The Jews do the same thing. Voodoo has Judaeo-Christian roots.

  A few days before Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) the priest will have a sinner sit in proxy for the whole congregation. He takes a chicken and swings it over their head three times while chanting some phrase about god accepting the chicken as a sacrifice for our sins. It is called Kaparot. And it is done in this day and age right here in the USA.....still.

  These rituals are absurd and illogical and really, like something left over from days of the neanderthal.

  Again I ask:

  I just cannot conceive that our true creators would teach and participate in killing animals. Nor that our creators would be so limited in options to make a covering for humans.

  Have you never wondered if this god could have been one of the evil angels?

  And this question leads on to another question:

  Also, maybe this is how Abel got the idea to sacrifice an animal. I don't think he would have thought of doing it had he not seen it done and known that it appeased this deity. What do you think?
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  Where is stillajwexelder?

  by Mickey mouse in

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  he missed the meetings ... he went back ... so sad.

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  cameo-d

  Stilla has a story waiting for him here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/163912/1.ashx
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  First Kill

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in genesis 3:7 we are told that adam and eve made the first clothing out of plant material.. (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate).

  why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them?

  (genesis 3:21 (septaugint) says "leather tunics").

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  cameo-d

  possible-san,

  You are missing my point. I am not talking about killing animals for food. That is a very different subject.

  I am talking about "god" being the first killer mentioned in the Bible because he killed an animal to make clothes for Adam and eve.

  A Creator would not destroy his masterpiece. A Creator would be very capable of making clothing from something other than an animal.

  If humans are created in the same image as the Creator, that should mean not just physical characteristics, but feelings and emotions as well.

  The book of Enoch says it was the evil angels, the Nephilim, who first began to hurt the animals. I am asking the question, do you think its possible that this "god" is actually an evil spirit and not our Creator? Look at his actions.

  Also, no one wanted to take responsibility for their actions.

  Adam: "Eve gave it to me, so I ate it."

  Eve: "well, the old serpent talked me into it."

  God: "Well, heck, why don't we just give Fido a whippin for it and let him take the blame!

  Somebody's got to pay for the damages to my tree. Make up your mind. Off with your head, or will it be Fido?"

  So, the family dog ends up taking the punishment. "god" probaly roasts and eats the dog and makes a muu-muu and loin cloth for the perpertraters.

  Really, it's still the same way today as far as some of these rituals. It's based on the fact that people will not take responsibility for their actions as well as illogical tradition.

  Take for instance, voodoo. The houngan (voodoo priest) takes a live chicken and rubs it all over the sinner seated in proxy before him. This act supposedly transfers the sins of the sinner (or the whole group if he is sitting in proxy) to the chicken. Now how can this even be logical? If I rub my cat on my head, does this mean that my cat is now guilty of something I did wrong? According to tradition, it must be a magical transfer. Anyway, then, the chicken is now imbued with sin and killed as a sacrifice.

  People freak out about this type of animal killing. But hey! Guess what? The Jews do the same thing. Voodoo has Judaeo-Christian roots.

  A few days before Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) the priest will have a sinner sit in proxy for the whole congregation. He takes a chicken and swings it over their head three times while chanting some phrase about god accepting the chicken as a sacrifice for our sins. It is called Kaparot. And it is done in this day and age right here in the USA.....still.

  These rituals are absurd and illogical and really, like something left over from days of the neanderthal.

  I just cannot conceive that our true creators would teach and participate in killing animals. Nor that our creators would be so limited in options to make a covering for humans.

  Have you never wondered if this god could have been one of the evil angels?

  Also, maybe this is how Abel got the idea to sacrifice an animal. I don't think he would have thought of doing it had he not seen it done and known that it appeased this deity. What do you think?
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  Any Buddhists here?

  by DevonMcBride in

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  i recently started studying buddhism and found it to be very deep but most of it makes a lot of sense.

  any other buddhists posting here.

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  cameo-d

  My question to you was "why do you say it is blasphemy to substitute buddhist concepts of "oneness"

  You are being silly now. I never said it was blasphemy. I have not used that term "blasphemy" in any of my own words on this thread. I captioned YOUR remark.

  YOU were the one who said it was blasphemy.
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  why8chdoubleU8ch is really gods name....NOT Jehovah!!

  by oompa in

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  it makes me mad when i think how many doors i knocked on....especially as a kid.....and proudly read ps.

  83: 18 and taught people gods name...jehovah.

  when in fact is is almost certainly not jehovah, even wt says it is most likely yahweh or yehowah.

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  cameo-d

  Oompa,

  Didn't it ever strike you as strange that Jesus never used the name AT ALL? Nor any form of it.

  Jesus never confirmed that this Yahweh was his "father".
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  For Stilla

  by cameo-d in

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  i will always remember stilla for his favorite saying which popped up on may occassions:.

  "god just loves the smell of burnt flesh.

  'tis a restful odor you know...".

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  cameo-d

  Did we leave Stilla on the bus?
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  How about a community blog?

  by DT in

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  a community blog could never replace a discussion forum like this one and shouldn't have that as a goal, but a blog could fill some important needs and even have some advantages over a traditional discussion forum.. it would be similar in that it would contain posts that could be commented on.

  the navigation would be different.

  it would also have limitations on who could post articles.

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  cameo-d

  Your idea is well thought-out.

  Your high standards are commendable.

  I think it's a wonderful idea and I know you will get some quality people posting timely information.

  I wish you and all the participants much success in this endeavor.
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  Muslims Influenced by WBTS

  by cameo-d in

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  2. bible

  scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

  several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

  there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

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  Any Buddhists here?

  by DevonMcBride in

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  i recently started studying buddhism and found it to be very deep but most of it makes a lot of sense.

  any other buddhists posting here.

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  cameo-d

  Did I forget to mention I am an atheist

  So, it's blasphemy to substitute buddhist concepts for God, but not to substitute him with a team of scientists?

  If you are an atheist, why would you find it necessary to substitute god at all?