Posts by MadGiant

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Just ONE FACT, that's all I ask, JUST ONE.....

by Terry in

what is a fact?

a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.

i've read the bible many times in many ways with many methods.. .

MadGiant

Well..... I tried, the book is a piece of sh!t.

Take care,

Ismael

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Just ONE FACT, that's all I ask, JUST ONE.....

by Terry in

what is a fact?

a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.

i've read the bible many times in many ways with many methods.. .

MadGiant

“What information does the bible contain that is "obviously" from a divine source unavailable by any other source? Practical information; not doctrinal assertions is what I mean.”

Here’s your practical information:

Leviticus 15:17

NET ©

and he must wash in water any clothing or leather that has semen on it……

NIV ©

Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water………..

Don’t believe me, ask Bill Clinton.

Take care,

Ismael

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Study Links Religion and Racism

by leavingwt in

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i must admit that this surprised me.

i've personally never noticed a connection.. .

study links religion and racism.

MadGiant

"In general, the more devout the community, the greater the racism,"

I wonder why.

Deuteronomy 7:3

NET ©	You must not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
NIV © biblegateway Deu 7:3	Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
NASB © biblegateway Deu 7:3	"Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons.
NLT © biblegateway Deu 7:3	Do not intermarry with them, and don’t let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters.
MSG © biblegateway Deu 7:3	Don't marry them: Don't give your daughters to their sons and don't take their daughters for your sons--
BBE © SABDAweb Deu 7:3	Do not take wives or husbands from among them; do not give your daughters to their sons, or take their daughters for your sons.
NRSV © bibleoremus Deu 7:3	Do not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons,
NKJV © biblegateway Deu 7:3	"Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son.

First Kings 11:2

NET ©	They came from nations about which the Lord had warned the Israelites, “You must not establish friendly relations with them! 1 If you do, they will surely shift your allegiance to their gods.” 2 But Solomon was irresistibly attracted to them. 3
NIV © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2	They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, "You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods." Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love.
NASB © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2	from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the sons of Israel, "You shall not associate with them, nor shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods." Solomon held fast to these in love.
NLT © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2	The LORD had clearly instructed his people not to intermarry with those nations, because the women they married would lead them to worship their gods. Yet Solomon insisted on loving them anyway.
MSG © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2	He took them from the surrounding pagan nations of which GOD had clearly warned Israel, "You must not marry them; they'll seduce you into infatuations with their gods." Solomon fell in love with them anyway, refusing to give them up.
BBE © SABDAweb 1Ki 11:2	The nations of which the Lord had said to the children of Israel, You are not to take wives from them and they are not to take wives from you; or they will certainly make you go after their gods: to these Solomon was united in love.
NRSV © bibleoremus 1Ki 11:2	from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the Israelites, "You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you; for they will surely incline your heart to follow their gods"; Solomon clung to these in love.
NKJV © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2	from the nations of whom the LORD had said to the children of Israel, "You shall not intermarry with them, nor they with you. Surely they will turn away your hearts after their gods." Solomon clung to these in love.

Nehemiah 13:25-27

NET ©	So I entered a complaint with them. I called down a curse on them, and I struck some of the men and pulled out their hair. I had them swear by God saying, “You will not marry off 1 your daughters to their sons, and you will not take any of their daughters as wives for your sons or for yourselves!
NIV © biblegateway Neh 13:25	I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair. I made them take an oath in God’s name and said: "You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves.
NASB © biblegateway Neh 13:25	So I contended with them and cursed them and struck some of them and pulled out their hair, and made them swear by God, "You shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor take of their daughters for your sons or for yourselves.
NLT © biblegateway Neh 13:25	So I confronted them and called down curses on them. I beat some of them and pulled out their hair. I made them swear before God that they would not let their children intermarry with the pagan people of the land.
MSG © biblegateway Neh 13:25	So I took those men to task, gave them a piece of my mind, even slapped some of them and jerked them by the hair. I made them swear to God: "Don't marry your daughters to their sons; and don't let their daughters marry your sons--and don't you yourselves marry them!
BBE © SABDAweb Neh 13:25	And I took up the cause against them, cursing them and giving blows to some of them and pulling out their hair; and I made them take an oath by God, saying, You are not to give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons or for yourselves.
NRSV © bibleoremus Neh 13:25	And I contended with them and cursed them and beat some of them and pulled out their hair; and I made them take an oath in the name of God, saying, "You shall not give your daughters to their sons, or take their daughters for your sons or for yourselves.
NKJV © biblegateway Neh 13:25	So I contended with them and cursed them, struck some of them and pulled out their hair, and made them swear by God, saying , "You shall not give your daughters as wives to their sons, nor take their daughters for your sons or yourselves.

Don’t forget Numbers 36:3-9 and Numbers 25:6-8

Take care,

Ismael

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The BITE model of mind control: "E" is for "Emotional control"

by JimmyPage in

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iv.

emotional control1.

manipulate and narrow the range of a person's feelings.. 2. make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always their fault, never the leader's or the group's.. 3. excessive use of guilt.

MadGiant

Thanks

Ismael

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The BITE model of mind control: "T" is for "Thought control"

by JimmyPage in

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iii.

thought control1.

need to internalize the group's doctrine as "truth".

MadGiant

Thanks

Ismael

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The BITE method of mind control: "I" is for "Information control"

by JimmyPage in

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ii.

information control1.

use of deception.

MadGiant

Thanks

Ismael

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The BITE model for mind control groups: "B" is for "Behavior control"

by JimmyPage in

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i. behavior control1.

regulation of individual's physical reality.

a. where, how and with whom the member lives and associates with.

MadGiant

Thanks

Ismael

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Are JWs discouraged from seeking mental help?

by Kristina1972 in

my husband was raised in this religion, but was never baptized and does not go to meetings, although my mil is heavily involved.

although my husband doesn't practice his religion, he believes it is the truth and i hate asking him questions, because he is very defensive of the religion.

he and his mother, many years ago before i knew either of them, were treated for severe depression and hospitalized (at different times as a result of them going through divorces.

MadGiant

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/mental.html

http://www.jwfacts.com/

Take care,

Ismael

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JW Apologists please tell me where your God was when .....

by wobble in

during the dark days of the second world war , the monsters that ran a concentration camp decided to hang a child.. they hung the poor little chap so that it took half an hour for him to die, all the while making the other inmates look into the face of the child.. where was your god then ?

was he not strong enough to do anything or did he just not care ?.

if the first then he is a very weak god, if the second then,.

MadGiant

Then again:

Exodus 33:20

There shall no man see me, and live.

John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time.

John 6:46

Not that any man hath seen the Father.

1 Timothy 1:17

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.

1 Timothy 6:16

Whom no man hath seen nor can see.

1 John 4:12

No man hath seen God at any time.

Looks like the guy have Multiple Personality Disorder or Alzheimer’s desease

Take care,

Ismael

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JW Apologists please tell me where your God was when .....

by wobble in

during the dark days of the second world war , the monsters that ran a concentration camp decided to hang a child.. they hung the poor little chap so that it took half an hour for him to die, all the while making the other inmates look into the face of the child.. where was your god then ?

was he not strong enough to do anything or did he just not care ?.

if the first then he is a very weak god, if the second then,.

MadGiant

“If God really wanted to stop someone. Can he?

Personally? Yes.

But since the Bible, (and the basis of this debate) - says that, “No man may see God and yet live…”

It probably wouldn’t be a good idea.

Since God lives in Heaven. And God created the Sun.

If he came here personally to stop a murder of a child… he would in the process scorch half the earth. (And please. Don’t say prove it. I’m debating on the Christian view of God and the Bible.)” – Confucius

I am neither a scholar nor a witness but, Sorry but I disagree; with all due respect. Its looks like many have seen that creature

Genesis 12:7

And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

Genesis 17:1

And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him....

Genesis 18:1

And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.

Genesis 26:2

And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of.

Genesis 26:24

And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not.

Genesis 32:30

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Genesis 35:9

And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.

Genesis 48:3

And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan.

Exodus 3:16

The LORD God ... appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you.

Exodus 4:5

That they may believe that the LORD God ... hath appeared unto thee.

Exodus 6:3

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob....

Exodus 24:9-11

Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel ... They saw God, and did eat and drink.

Exodus 33:11

And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.

Exodus 33:23

And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.

Numbers 14:14

For they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face.

Deuteronomy 5:4

The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire.

Deuteronomy 34:10

And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.

Judges 13:22

And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

1 Kings 22:19

I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

Job 42:5

I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

Psalm 63.2

To see thy power and they glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.

Isaiah 6:1

In the year that King Ussiah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up.

Isaiah 6:5

For mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

Ezekiel 1:27

And saw ... the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward....

Ezekiel 20:35

And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

Amos 7:7

The LORD stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.

Amos 9:1

I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake.

Habakkuk 3:3-5

God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran .... He had horns coming out of his hand.

Matthew 18:9

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Take care,

Ismael