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  Science is right in its details, but wrong in its direction

  by exWTslave in

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  science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!

  it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.

  it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.

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  MadGiant

  "Yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter! It means: Though Science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction. It failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (Man) for whom it works. Science saw man as matter, hence thought he would be happier and contented if he were given more and more MATERIAL comforts and luxuries!" - exWT

  This is a very misleading and dishonest comment. Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.

  Science is sometimes, for the convenience of people who want to see results, divided into applied science and research science. The first applies scientific discoveries to the development of new and improved technology, from cars to iPods. The second pursues scientific knowledge for its own sake with no particular practical goal in mind. The nice thing about this pure research is that it often ends up providing the raw material and knowledge for unexpected practical uses.

  Science has noting to do with myths. Except debunking them.

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  "It failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (Man) for whom it works." - exWT

  This is one of the stupidest lines I have read in my life. Are you giving science human characteristics?

  Ismael
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  Let's Review: It's a cult!

  by Oubliette in

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  just in case any of you were wondering: let's review: it's a cult!.

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  MadGiant

  I don't know, but let ask someone with some sort of experience in the subject:

  “When your own thoughts are forbidden, when your questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished, when contacts with friendships outside of the organization are censored, we are being abused for the ends never justify the means. When our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger. When we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult… If there is any lesson to be learned it is that an ideal can never be brought about by fear, abuse, and the threat of retribution. When family and friends are used as a weapon in order to force us to stay in an organization, something has gone terribly wrong.” - Deborah Layton, Jonestown Survivor
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

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  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  MadGiant

  Lately, you are posting articles without any kind of backup or support for their claims. You are coming across like a dishonest person. Do you know what science literacy means?

  An overwhelming majority of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity. Nearly every scientific society, representing hundreds of thousands of scientists, has issued statements rejecting intelligent design and a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary biology was endorsed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners. And you are making this fuzz because 1,000 are trying to draw attention to themselves?

  1. Delgado, Cynthia (2006-07-28). "Finding evolution in medicine" (hmtl). NIH Record 58 (15). Retrieved 2007-10-22.

  2. Ruling, Kitzmiller v. Dover page 83

  3. Amicus Curiae brief in Edwards v. Aguillard, 85-1513 (United States Supreme Court 1986-08-18). , available at "Edwards v. Aguillard: Amicus Curiae Brief of 72

  4. Nobel Laureates". From TalkOrigins Archive. Retrieved 2007-10-19. Noah, Timothy (2000-10-31). "George W. Bush, The Last Relativist". Retrieved 2007-10-23.

  Are you trying to convince us, or are you trying to convince yourself?

  ismael
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  Accounts of Jesus From Hostile Ancient Sources

  by Perry in

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  from ancient accounts hostile to christinity, we can learn the following:.

  jesus was born and lived in palestine.

  he was born, supposedly, to a virgin and had an earthly father who was a carpenter.

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  "An insignificant, illiterate, itinerant preacher with a tiny following, who went wholly unnoticed by any literate person in Judaea somehow started a religion that changed the world." - shadow

  Yes, it is funny and if you practice Buddhism, Candomblé, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Paganism, Santeria, Shinto or Sikhism among others. Your world hasn't change a bit.

  Still funny, still no evidence.
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  Accounts of Jesus From Hostile Ancient Sources

  by Perry in

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  from ancient accounts hostile to christinity, we can learn the following:.

  jesus was born and lived in palestine.

  he was born, supposedly, to a virgin and had an earthly father who was a carpenter.

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  MadGiant

  If Jesus existed (just kidding), he was an insignificant, illiterate, itinerant preacher with a tiny following, who went wholly unnoticed by any literate person in Judaea.

  It is very implausible, for instance, that a biography would be written for the obscure itinerant philosopher Demonax in his own lifetime (by Lucian), yet god incarnate (or the son of god), who riled up all Judaea with talk, should inspire nothing like it until decades after his death. Funny, don't you think?
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  Accounts of Jesus From Hostile Ancient Sources

  by Perry in

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  from ancient accounts hostile to christinity, we can learn the following:.

  jesus was born and lived in palestine.

  he was born, supposedly, to a virgin and had an earthly father who was a carpenter.

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  MadGiant

  No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.

  All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

  Hearsay does not work as evidence because we have no way of knowing whether the person lied, or simply based his or her information on wrongful belief or bias.

  42 historians recorded important events during or shortly after the supposed times of Jesus, but NO ONE recorded anything about Jesus, apostles, or any supposed acts that we find only in the Bible.
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  is it possible to raise good kids with out religious morals?

  by Princess Ashe in

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  making up my mind on how to teach my son values in life seems to be an on going struggle of what is right and wrong.

  being raised in a sheltered jw life until after leaving high school seems like going from one extreme to another of being over restrictive or under.

  trying to find that balance.

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  Actually, every one of us were raised without "bible morals". Following "bible morals" in this day and age will send you to jail.
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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

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  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  MadGiant

  "MadGiant, if you actually read the pages you linked to, you'd learn the following:" -

  My friend, the idea (and you will find similar examples every-time I posted a link) is variety of material. You can think whatever you want, but the followers of Jesus incorporating elements from early myths and legends, not vice-versa. It's not even an original story. Deal with it!!!!

  Ismael
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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  "Are not you basically asking if Jesus is really just a Copy-Cat Savior Myth "borrowed" from other Gods?" -

  All of the Pagan myths had been circulating for centuries before Jesus birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE). It is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the followers of Jesus incorporating into his biography the myths and legends of Osiris-Dionysus, not vice-versa. I am not asking, their is no evidence.

  No sacrificing himself as a form of ritual blood sacrifice to appease the perfect justice of him/his father-God. No crucifixion or raising from the dead, nothing.

  All evidence we have for any of the spiritual events described within the Bible is the Bible itself. No physical evidence, no artifacts, no dwelling, no works of carpentry, no self-written manuscripts. No "historicity of Jesus", no "historical Jesus", nothing.

  Their is no evidence of a massive earthquakes followed by a darkness covering the land. You would think that if something like this really happened, then maybe a few local historians might have recorded it or that maybe the local astronomers would have noticed the sun blotting out three entire hours. But strangely enough, no such records exist, nothing.

  No dead people rising from their graves and roaming the streets. Surely, it’s reasonable to expect at least a few locals to mention a sudden zombie apocalypse somewhere in their memoirs, isn’t it? But nothing.

  This is reality. It doesn't matter what you, me or any of us think or do, all the items described above are real. It's reality. It's not doing to change with some wishful thinking. It is what it is.

  Take care,

  Ismael
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  A few questions for believers

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.

  so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.

  and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".

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  MadGiant

  "MadGiant, just an FYI, a lot of those details about parallels to Jesus don't seem to be found in any historical sources. I don't have time for a comprehensive response, but see this for starters" -

  All of the Pagan myths had been circulating for centuries before Jesus birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE). It is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the followers of Jesus incorporating into his biography the myths and legends of Osiris-Dionysus, not vice-versa.

  Osiris, Dionysus and Jesus

  - His father is God and his mother is a mortal virgin, 7 month pregnancy.
  - He is born in a cave or humble cowshed on 25 December before three shepherds.
  - He offers his followers the chance to be born again through the rites of baptism.
  - He miraculously turns water into wine at a marriage ceremony.
  - He rides triumphantly into town on a donkey while people wave palm leaves to honor him.
  - He dies at Eastertime as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
  - After his death he descends to hell, then on the third day he rises from the dead and ascends to heaven in glory.
  - His followers await his return as the judge during the Last Days.
  - His death and resurrection are celebrated by a ritual meal of bread and wine, which symbolize his body and blood.

  Ismael

  https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Osiris-Dionysus.html
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus
  http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa2.htm
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_god