five things i would like to see before my ashes are scattered :.
1) glen campbell singing the wichita lineman at the court of henry viii.. 2) henry kissinger dressed in spandex running for a bus.. 3) sergeant major mick jagger.. 4) freepeace giving tallyman the kiss of life - taste and see that i am good...lol.
5) ted jaracz dancing wildly at a rave.. any additions?
Reborn said:
5.. Xena, LDH, flower, butalbee, noidea, lmbue, Prisca, bittermango and whatever other female poster on this board in a massive orgy with me to see how many I can satisfy at once. (ahh wishful thinking)
Would that count as temporary polygamy?
i turned in a request (by letter) for reinstatement last week and ive been informed that i will meeting with my original judicial committee this coming wednesday.
im very excited and happy, but at the same time i want to be careful how i conduct myself.
in the last meeting in early march, my reinstatement request was turned down.
Iarc said:
Dave. You are low life trash. Your worst offense was coming here under another name after 9-11 and asking people to send money that you would send on to charities. This looks like criminal behavior, and if it is, I hope you are charged and conficted of a felony. If I am right in my assessment, you are a man that can not be trusted under any circumstances.
There was just something on the local Cincinnati news today, of a local man who had convinced his workmates that his girlfriend? sister? was in the towers on 9-11. He was convicted of fraud, ordered to repay the money to them and gifts that he took, and sentenced to so many hours (300?) of community service.
As to the rest of the comments, of course as I have said before, the witnesses are pretty much like any other group to me. The thing that sets them apart is organized shunning. If they are alike why do I point out things they do like the child molestation problem? Because I have seen it personally. I was not a member of the Lutherans and cannot speak knowledgably about that organization's problems. Perhaps in the future I will have facts I can quote, and when I do, I shall.
I am of the opinion that some people are witnesses. It is not something that they do, it is something intrinsic to them. As much so as gender, race, profession, and so forth. If this mav guy is for real, fine be a witness, that is what you are. It is not what many of us are. I was a witness, in only one of my incarnations. I have since incarnated into yet other forms.
As to what makes a witness? Is it really and truly what the governing body says? Not to me. If some witness smokes secretly, or has sex, or paints crosses, the watchtower society may deem them to not be witnesses. However if they label themselves as a witness, I am content with that label. We all have our hypocricies.
Indeed, we would not need to do such things in secret, and the many other things that we do or feel, without telling others, if we did not have to face the raised eyebrows of others.
does anyone know if any site hosts the latest issue of the watchtower and awake online?
i heard a rumour that this was true.
JT I used to think the same thing when I was a non-practicing witness. For those that wish, all of my liturgy, and all of my scriptures, will be posted online for free (for a small fee) to any who want to benefit from them.
the other day i sent my family a framed studio photograph that i had made for them.. i called to make sure they got it and my mom said that she did and that it was placed with the other family photos in the living room.. a few days later my dad called to thank me.
he then went off into a tangent about how he wants me to come back to the "truth".
i told him that i respect his right to believe as he will, but i expect the same in return.
Elsewhere I thought I understood you to say that you are DAed?
If I was dfed or daed, and I absolutely didnt want them coming, I would do the same...put up a sign, send a certified letter from an attorney.
Personally, I'd like them coming by. If they were amiacable, I would just chat with them. If they tried to hassle me I would give them all the ways that I know they are a demonizing destructive influence on society.
1..Satan told me.
2..God told me.
3..If I light a match to their literature, it burns.
4..They teach that the mythic land of China is a real place.
5..Bridh (an Irish Goddess) told me, last night, when I was in Tir ná mBan with her, shagging royally.
6..They believe in the mythic person called Jesus who never existed.
7..Jesus told me.
8..Who said that?!
9..Most witnesses names begin with either a consonant or a vowel.
10.Silence, and just stare em down, eyes narrowed...:)
do you still get nightmares?.
because last night i had the crap scared out of me.. i cant remember what i had been dreaming about, but something shocked me and i opened my eyes and i saw a figure standing beside my bed.. my body when straight into fight mode.. now this is the weirest part for me.i shouted at the top of my voice , very loudly "what the f**k" yet it wasn't me speaking , my body sort of took over and said it .my eyes sort of adjusted and the figure disappeared and a i think at that point i became wide awake.. my wife was woken up by my shouting.. my heart was racing and my hair standing on end.. i have had a similiar experience once before but i didn't shout.. the fact that i woke up shouting, really freaked me out.. what the crap was going on in my head?
Ya know I have what are called nightmares by others. But I like em. They are pretty cool. I never get scared. Fear is one of the emotions I havent experienced yet. Looking forward to it someday.
Once I had this awesome dream. I was being chased by a vampyre. I leaned out the window and there were dogs on the ground. I was four stories up. They were leaping, almost up to the window. They were barking. But I understood the language in my head. I dont mean I translated, I mean I intrinsically understood as I do any other language I speak.
I leaped out of the window. In the middle of my fall, I changed into a wolf. Then I ran with the pack. Of course I was the alpha. Then we ran into an encampment. I bit one of the persons there, which is why the vamp had been chasing me, he had foresaw it. So he was angry because now the fella, his nephew, was going to be a were instead of a vamp.
One word for those with nightmares, LUCID DREAMING. Do a search on yahoo for it.
hey, the plans for the potluck this friday are almost complete.. due to the response we've been getting, we're going to hold it in a private home near downtown.
the more, the merrier!.
if you have not already received an email with directions, then we just don't have your email address.
Wooohooo I am gonna be there.
the following one is from h2o, written by mackoz:.
new procedure for d-f'd at the memorial?
i've gone from being an elder to being a man who can hardly bring himself to open his well-thumbed bible.
This experience is precisely why disfellowshipped ones should not play the game by the WTBTS rules. Make up your own rules. Sit in front. A friend of mine was surprisingly invited to the funeral of a family member recently. She told them she would not go if she was going to be shunned or have to sit in the back. They agreed she could sit with the family.
Until she got there. Then they tried to direct her to the back row. Several times the attendant did this. She refused and sat near or at the front anyhow.
I understand not going to the hall if you are bothered by it. I told the elders if they dfed me I would absolutely go and sit in front and smile and talk and wave and generally be my congenial self. Among other things that prevented them from dfing me. Who knows in the future they may still try.
If I were dfed I would go to the memorial at hall where I was not known. I would probably partake. If I were going to partake I would go to extensive lengths with a makeup artist to make myself appear old. Then I would remove the mask and inform them I was dfed hehe.
Joy said
I would have said a year ago that this behavior shocks me, but not any more. Be glad you saw first hand that the wtbts is not 'christian' when they can't even do what they say.An examination of christian conduct, writings, and philosophy since its beginning will demonstrate that this kind of haughtiness, and acting contrary to your words, is exactly 'christian'.
there has never been or have I ever heard of seating the DF'd in a specific row. i.e "The Disfellowshipped Row"...its true most df'd people tend to gravitate to the back of the hall....Why do you think they gravitate to the back row? If a disfellowshipped person leaves the witness he is no longer a member. If he continues to participate, especially with reinstatement in view, then he is a member who is being disciplined. There are certain things elders expect from a dfed person for reinstatement. These vary but acting dfed is one of them, including being nondescript, like sitting in the back. This is also important because if a new one talked to a dfed at the meetings there would be gasps. As complicated as the doctrine is, as hazy as the rules are about it, and as disgusting as it is to most people, few witnesses want to explain right away to a study who just came to a meeting, why such and such a person must not be even greeted.
What I want to know it who the hell made them judge and jury!!We did. By joining, with the knowledge that we could be dfed. We did by adhering to their rules for dfed people if we are dfed. We did by trying to get back if we are dfed. And we did by being shocked that they should act like judge and jury when we give them consent to do so.
If you have read my posts in the past, you have seen that I simply refused to give them that authority. I told them plainly I did not consent to their authority, I did not passively assent to it, and I know the watchtower does not take authority by force, do they? I also informed them that they never were my elders, I did not know them, and they never would by my eldres. I had not consented for my publisher record card to be transfered to them.
I look at it this way, they can continue to judge me. I personally dont mind. But I will not give them authority over my soul, spirit, conscience, mind, or any other aspect of my life.
But then the same goes for the rest of you talking monkeys on this planet.
ok. i've been thinking again (?
) and wondering if i was god what would i have made shure was in the bible.. for a start i would have tried to help my human creatures fight against diseases.. it would'nt have took many pages to explian that there were such things as germs and that you needed to wash things well , and boil contaminated water etc.. this would have prevented millions of early deaths and a lot of suffering.
Writerpen, your priest gave you just an inkling of what went into making the bible. He probably neglected to mention that which books were considered canonical continued to be argued and hotly debated for centuries. The Orthodox have 88? books in their bible. Catholics 72, and protestants 66.
The council of Nicea was a rucous event at best. There were many gospels to decide from, those eventually being boiled down to four. And that in itself is a story. Not to mention the mobs on all sides fighting and arguing, violently, with threats of great physical harm, should their particular books not be chosen.
Of course there is also the fact that the entire mythos (sacred story, as opposed to fable) of the bible is pre-existent in the notions of the most cultures and religions around the world.
Which brings up what should be in religious books LEAVE THE CHILDREN ALONE. Define a reasonable age of consent and enforce it. Rape, is against the law, period. Women are not stoned just because they do not scream, as if it is there fault. On the other hand it is balanced, if a woman consented, she is not to falsely accuse a man.
Further sex is sacred, not something demeaning or sinful. It should be between consenting adults. It is a path to the divine.
Humans are perfect, sinless, as is the rest of life. We are divine.
sorry, this is a long post:.
i had a conversation with my jw friend the other night.
i thought i'd recap some of the arguments presented even though i didn't get to touch on all of the different counter arguments i would have liked to present.. on "worldly" people: i tried to explain what it felt like when i first realized that derogatory comments were being said about non-witnesses.
LucidSky, amen to quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com.
That was the first site I went to. Prior to that anytime someone tried to assist me I balked. I remember one fella on chat trying to have long conversations with me about the witnesses. I kept telling him, look dude, I am not a witness anymore and you dont need to save me from them. I had somewhat decided through analysis at that time I didnt really believe in god but there was the lingering doubt and what if in my mind.
The short take is that my wife was going in for surgery. She would be in the hospital for several days so I decided to print some pages from the watchtower website for her as a little present. So she would not feel too discouraged while she was there. I could not remember the website domain name, but jehovahswitnesses.com seemed a reasonable choice.
Woa. I could get my own name at that domain. My own email. It seemed pretty cool. I realized the society wasnt running that site though. Still in the list were a couple of whatevers.jehovahswitnesses.com including quotes. So I just perused over there. I finished the entire site pissed off royally. I dug through the books in the basement looking for several of the publications. Each I verified was accurate.
What pissed me off was not the failed prophecies for instance. No, it was the fact that they had covered up what they had actually prophesied. The rest of the pattern most of you know very well.
Farkel, a lot of times they get around this question by infering that those components are actually manufactured blood components, not blood itself. The average witness has no clue what Albumin, or Fibrinogen is. Hell I have no clue. I just know from what I have read that they are parts of the blood. The rest is moot to me. And of course my arguments start with yours, why or where did god say dont use this or that part of the blood but the other parts you can use. On the other hand if the god of the bible is true, I dont care if he said those things. They were for Israelites, I am not one.
i am trying to prove a point to a jw, and i was wondering if anyone has a specific passage from any of the publications where they specifically reference faithful men of old such as abraham, isaac, and jacob as having an earthly hope, vs. a heavenly one?.
thanks in advance!
This is a prime example of basic JW teachings that most JWs have no clue about. I am surprised time and again when I discus something with my wife and she does not know the watchtower position on it. When I became a witness I studied voraciously. I got old watchtowers from friends and read them in school. (Not a problem because I was a straight A student anyhow, could read and still follow the teachers comments) So when I see a JW who has been active for years dispute some basic things, which are not even 'objectionable' doctrines, it floors me.
