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What was the amount of the 07 pedo settlement

by boyzone in

i can't find it.

how much did the wt have to pay in the end?.

thanks.

LUKEWARM

OnTheWayOut is exactly right when he said, "NBC News reported that it obtained a copy of one of the settlement documents in which an
alleged victim in one of the nine cases involving 16 victims received $781,250. That would work out to $12.5 million for 16 victims."

When I was purchasing court records for my CD, "Secrets of Pedophilia In An American Religion," the San Diego Court records department mistakenly sent me sealed court settlement papers. Ten days later, when they realized what they had done, I was contacted and asked not to publish the papers. I was not asked to keep the figures secret so I shared the settlement amount with NBC Nightly News. I told the court that I would not publish the court papers but had sent copies of all the court documents to people who were involved with me on the compilation of material for the CD and had no control over what they did. This was accepted.

Barbara

Thanks Barbara! Have just come across this now So this is where the funds go for the "World Wide Work Mt 24:14"...

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Congregation Bible Study Comments - Week Commencing 6 April 2009

by LUKEWARM in

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" (1 corinthians 5:11-13).

(a) why is the disfellowshipping arrangement a loving one?

20 the disfellowshipping arrangement is really a loving provision from jehovah.

Hi Boyzone

Yes the "Bible Study" this week was the entire appendix - and they dissected if fully!

As there are no questions, the conductor formulated some so the friends could have the points clearly in mind. Each paragraph was read, most scriptures were read and the Watchtower references were referred to and discussed...

Hope you can try and reason with your parents on a few of the points as they have obviously been misapplied...

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Congregation Bible Study Comments - Week Commencing 6 April 2009

by LUKEWARM in

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" (1 corinthians 5:11-13).

(a) why is the disfellowshipping arrangement a loving one?

20 the disfellowshipping arrangement is really a loving provision from jehovah.

LUKEWARM

Interesting how they devoted this weeks study purely on the appendix. How many actually thought about the misapplication of the Scriptures rather than just parroting "the paragraph says...."

"The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 25, stated: "A simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?"
What twisted disgusting reasoning that has no precedent in the Bible - can you imagine Jesus doing this??
"Is strict avoidance really necessary? Yes, for several reasons. First, it is a matter of loyalty to God and his Word"
Loyalty to God or the WTS interpretation of what Christians need to do?
"Second, withdrawing from an unrepentant wrongdoer protects us and the rest of the congregation from spiritual and moral contamination and upholds the congregation's good name."
So members are denied any right to exercise their own intelligence and judgement as to whether a person is an "unrepentant wrongdoer"? Why must they wait for some religious authority to lift the "disfellowshiped" label before association with a person is acceptable?

"Third, our firm stand for Bible principles may even benefit the disfellowshipped one. By supporting the decision of the judicial committee, we may touch the heart of a wrongdoer who thus far has failed to respond to the efforts of the elders to assist him. Losing precious fellowship with loved ones may help him to come "to his senses," see the seriousness of his wrong, and take steps to return to Jehovah.-Luke 15:17."
"Supporting the decision of the judicial committee" is what they want and what is most important to them. How do we know if the committee of imperfect men actually made the right decision - how did they really discern his/her heart condition?

Incredible that they quote the account about the prodigal son coming "to his senses"! Why not state the full story? Did Jesus say that the father in the story upon seeing his wayward son approaching the home, rather than running out and embracing him as he did, ignored him as he was not living with him in the house and insisted that his son first be screened by a committee of three men before expressing parental interest and affection and even celebrating his return??

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And when the Governing Body changes its mind...

by passwordprotected in

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....millions of jehovah's witnesses also change theirs.

instantly.. it's all about choices, people.. .

LUKEWARM

Parakeet - I nearly died laughing at your post...

A few years ago, a poster (can't remember if it was AlanF or Farkel) wrote about hearing an elder say that he would roll a peanut down the street with his nose if the WTS told him to do it.

Of course, the WTS is never to blame because their "official" position is:

*** w98 3/15 p. 22 par. 15 Living Up to Christian Dedication in Freedom ***
If a Witness makes decisions on the basis of Bible counsel offered by the Governing Body, he does so of his own volition because his own study of the Bible has convinced him that this is the proper course. Each Witness is influenced by God’s own Word to apply sound Scriptural counsel offered by the Governing Body, in full recognition that decisions he makes will affect his personal relationship with God, to whom he is dedicated.—1 Thessalonians 2:13.

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About the "but it's run by imperfect men" argument.

by SPAZnik in

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by the same token, couldn't any religion use the same argument to excuse their flaws and atrocities?

they are, after all, run by "imperfect" men as well.

i guess that means they're actually inspired of god too, but simply run by imperfect men who make mistakes..

LUKEWARM

"imperfect men" who publish statements like this:

"Respond to the directions of the organization as you would the voice of God" (The Watchtower, June 15th 1957 Issue, Page 370)

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WT argument about knowing God's name is a fallacy!

by JimmyPage in

all of us who grew up jw have heard this argument a million times: to have a close relationship with someone you must first know them by name.. but how would you feel if your kids called you by your first name?

instead of showing a closeness, it would be looked at as a sign of disrespect.

their calling you "father" would be the real indication of their special relationship with you.. so it is with god and so it was with those who considered the divine name too sacred to pronounce..

LUKEWARM

Interesting quote Garry, where is it from?

Lukewarm

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Great, simple Watchtower quote to show their HYPOCRISY. Easy to use.

by nicolaou in

"we cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry-be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization.

" the watchtower, 11/1/1990, p. 26. .

and from the very same month and year .

LUKEWARM

Good one!

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-12-09 WT Study (PROMOTE HAPPINESS)

by blondie in

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" (matt.

(a) why are those conscious of their spiritual need happy?

meetings.--matt.

LUKEWARM

Thanks Blondie - appreciate your effort in putting this up each week.

Q 8, 9. What does it mean to be mild-tempered, and why are mild-tempered ones happy?
8. "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth." (Matt. 5:5) "Mildness of temper," or meekness, does not suggest weakness or hypocritical gentleness. (1 Tim. 6:11) If we are mild-tempered, we will display meekness by doing Jehovah's will and accepting his guidance. Mildness of temper will also be evident in the way we deal with fellow believers and others. Such meekness harmonizes with the apostle Paul's counsel.--Read Romans 12:17-19.

9. Why are the mild-tempered ones happy? Because "they will inherit the earth," said mild-tempered Jesus. He is the principal Inheritor of the earth. (Ps. 2:8; Matt. 11:29; Heb. 2:8, 9) However, mild-tempered "joint heirs with Christ" share in his inheritance of the earth. (Rom. 8:16, 17) In the earthly realm of Jesus' Kingdom, many other meek ones will enjoy everlasting life.--Ps. 37:10, 11.
Until recently, I had no idea that the WTS official position on "they will inherit the earth" was not referring to righteous being rewarded with paradise earth. I used Matthew 5:5 in field service all the time to "prove" that meek ones are not going to heaven but will "inherit the earth"....

This post shattered that dream for me....

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/165871/1/How-do-mainstream-Christians-interpret-the-live-forever-on-Earth-scriptures

Funny how Jesus said NOTHING about paradise earth. How could that be considering it features so prominently in WTS theology?

Billy, I could not have said it better myself:

I think it's sad that Writing thought that Jesus did such a poor job in his introduction of the Sermon on the Mount that they need to come through verse-by-verse and clarify errors and omissions in his statements. They may as well scrap everything Jesus said and re-script all his teachings so that he would get it right... in which case, Jesus would have given the Sermon on the Mount clean-shaven and wearing a polyester suit.

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Special Bible talk entitled: IS THERE A TRUE RELIGION FROM GODS STANDPOINT? - Coming to a Kingdom Hall near you on Sunday, April 26, 2009

by LUKEWARM in

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the latest instalment is coming to convince everybody that there is only one channel - one god approved religion!.

so folks, what arguments do you think the wts will use to "prove" that there is a true religion from god's standpoint?.

lukewarm.

LUKEWARM

Just had a thought about the title of this talk. How presumptuous of them to presume to answer from God's standpoint given the false prophesying, false interpretation of prophesy, and the flip-flopping of doctrine presented as "the truth"!

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time=360 days 7-times=2520 days 2520 days=2520(365 day per year)years?

by still_in74 in

i have to give credit to sleepy for alerting me to this little discrepancy.

i cant believe i have never clued into the duality of freddies logic.

nevermind the jumping all over the bible between ot & nt to get his math together..... *** pe chap.

LUKEWARM

WOW!!! Never thought about the presumptuousness in using a 360 day calendar to make the 2520 year calculation, and then switching to 365 day solar year calendar to arrive at a conclusion.

This thread is absolute GOLD!!!
Another excellent talking point with the friends...

Thanks for posting this!!!

Lukewarm