Should I call 911 yet? With all your input here, I'm in disbelief that you have taken this extended break...even if it has only been a short while. Best of luck to you in the pursuit of a new computer!
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Where ARE you Cameo-d?
by lurk3r inshould i call 911 yet?
with all your input here, i'm in disbelief that you have taken this extended break...even if it has only been a short while.
best of luck to you in the pursuit of a new computer!.
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Chalam.Poppers. Please, hold up.
Chalam - While I donlt know you, I respect your views immensely. I envy your faith that you posess within yourself. While I don't know you, I do know by your posts, and expressions of faith, as to why you feel the way you do. Not only yourself, but others here on this board too.I don't know that you read through this thread or not, but a few threads back, I did say that in the end, ALL of this Kundalini(I know not a better name for it as i can only go with similar experiences that others have had) brought me around to coming to the stark conclusion that your God, Christ, exists. Please don't judge...yet. That little story I have started relaying, is my very first experience EVER( to my knowledge) with regards to KNOWING, without a doubt and for myself, that there IS a spirit world. As much as it already apparent to you, by what the bible says, there is NOTHING that can substitute real life experiences. It brings about a more complete and better understanding than living on faith alone. Also Chalam, it is ONLY by the permission of God that these things happen, the bible makes that clear. Job was "afflicted", through the PERMISSION of God....and it as a direct result of this, that Job was made stronger, and he was able to see the error of his ways. I don't think this is open to interpretation either, but if you feel it is,please, lets us discuss it futher.
Also Chalam, it is with respect towards you as well that I would like to make an observation, about Jesus. I read the Book of John for the very first time the other night(well 3/4 of it) and really enjoyed it. The perception of Jesus, is very hum drum to most people these days. Fight it as you may, and I'm not saying you should, or even asking you to, but when Jesus talked with the lady from the well, he displayed some very "creepy" traits. I say that also with no disrespect towards Jesus either. He told that lady she had 5 previous husbands, and the reason she didn't have one now, was cause she currently wasn't married to the man. I don't care HOW loving a person is, but if someone did that to me, that I did not know, I think I would get freaked out. That woman did not run away, and she used his saying these things as a source of comfort. If i remember it correctly she was excited about it and told her friends. That would be referred to in this day and age as a psycic ability. Why did she not shrink away in fear? Please, do not think I am trying to be an ass, I'm just making abservations. i KNOW that your knowledge of the bible is greater than mine...but please don't go quoting me 100 scriptures to show me how wrong i am, I get the jist and would like to keep this more conversational if we could.
Also, on the surface Chalam, this site, IS NOT loving. One has to look past a lot of things before it can be seen.
Poppers - I enjoyed reading your defense. I love it when people are passionate about their beliefs, whatever they are, as long as it's grounded in some sort of truth. No, I am not even insinuating that aren't grounded in this regard, but I would love to chat about it a bit. Poppers - How do you KNOW, for a certainty that Kundalini is indeed "natural"? I dispute nothing you say in your posts, I would like to know how you, for yourself truly KNOW this. Would you please share? Mine was awakened, and if i was not observant to my surroundings, I would naturally assume that it came out of nowhere and that it was indeed natural. I am not familiar with kundalini in depth, and I am not trying to stir up a bees nest. I do know from reading that it "starts" often at the base of your spine. What causes it to start it is really at the root of my wondering. A sneeze is natural. Everyone does it. But something has to trigger it. "Spontaneous" is a word often used to describe the process too. Thanks for your input.
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This post here is not related to my Kundalini. If my experiences are a form of that even. I think it was the start of that direction though. Please mind my errors as I have never written anything like this before in my adult life.
It was a hot summer. Too hot to sleep in the house. My ex and myself talked about how nice it would be to get away for a camping trip, but we knew we wouldn't be able to work it into the schedule...so hey, we decided to pitch a tent in the back yard, and spend a night or two under the stars.
It was great. The pets we had loved it too. Our dog could sleep with us for once. The cats could do their thing too. All in the comfort of our tent, and we could be one big happy family.
It was nice too. Laying back, listening to the trees swoosh around. It sure beat the whirl of the ceiling fan. Our bed was a little lumpy too, and just sleeping on an air mattress for a change was really nice. I've always loved change, as long as I was one who wanted it. Change; any change, on my terms though. Moving the furniture around or painting a room for example...it made things "new". I like new things too. Little did I know, that night was beginning of new changes for me...only I wasn't the one in control, and it was one that I really didn't want.
It was a long time ago. 95'. As long ago as it was, I still remember like it was yesterday...maybe even like it was 10 minutes ago. This is the first time I have ever put it in print, and I can feel my heart racing a tad as i type. Perhaps this is why I like elephants so much now that I think about it again. They don't forget, and neither can I. Do elephants remember the good things that happen to them too? Or like me, mostly just the bad?
Our yard had I big empty lot behind it. Multiple lots, and it was all vacant.
I'll never forget the little girl that woke me up that morning. She sounded as though she was very young. I love my sleep, and this little girl woke me up out of a very deep one.
It must have been around 6am. The sun was making its way up, and I wanted no part of it. It was time to go back to sleep. As I started to drift towards unconsciousness yet again, I heard her crying.Her sound was really only a whimper, but it was enough to make me pay attention. My eyes opened. With my head laying down, facing the direction of the lots behind us, I could tell she was back there. Ignorance indeed IS bliss, and I just wanted to sleep, so i ignored her, and did my best to drift of once again....my eyes closed once more. My blood was pumping through my body, driving me towards consciousness. The small girl, was still whimpering, and soon it became apparent that If was to return to sleep, this girl was going to have to stop.
The inside of our tent was motionless. Wife, dog, cats; everyone but me sleeping away. I sat up, preparing myself for a bit of a confrontation with this girl who insisted upon waking me. The nerve, it was SOO early.( i know it sounds mean, as i should have been concerned with this whimpering, but i was still half asleep)
As i sat up, in the blink of an eye, this is when it all changed for me. The girl was crying from behind the empty lots behind the house! But not now she wasn't, her whimper came from IN FRONT of the tent, TOWARDS my house! At this point, fear enveloped me. I started to sweat and started making some promises to god. "I will not do this anymore, I will not do that anymore" etc etc. This wasn't something natural to me.I had always believed in spirits, could this be evidence? I sat there in fear and tried my best to consider my options...this was all "new" and I didn't like it one bit. "She" no longer had a whimper, as that "voice" of a little girl changed...it was now just a sound. Not a monotone sound, it was more like a few notes played in succession. Maybe something like 3 notes off of a pipe organ or something. Each note lasting a little less than a second, and there were three, each successively higher in note than the following. "WEEE,EEE,eee." It was very sobering for me to TRY and come to grips with this, just sitting there feeling the fear and my mind racing to keep up.
Pooch put his head up and got to his feet as i sat there, tail waggin and ready to take on a new day. "This must be all in your head lurk3r", I thought to myself, "Your losing it bad". Ex was still asleep, but now the kittens were at work. Time to open the tent and let everyone out. My heart was pounding like a jackhammer still, there was no stopping it. I can't remember how my breath was at the time, but I bet it was short and quick.
I grabbed the zipper and started to slide it open; slowly. The animals could't wait to get out, the sun was a little higher now and it was starting to get humid, some fresh air was welcome... tbclurk3r
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spirit realm...when pigs fly...off a cliff..i so want to be smacked by a demon.....
by oompa inya.....back in the day...demonz were everywhere and no big deal....some were smart and some stupid...see:.
(luke 11:14) 14 later he was expelling a dumb demon.
it was like ..."oh, he has a demon in him......ya...got that...demon all the way...............gee you hoser, i let him marry my sister............no prob....she is a demon too...".
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Oompa. Right now, I have one post available to me, and I'm using it here. Your comments drove me to write down an experience that I encountered once. I will post it on this thread once my next reply becomes available. There is more to the story, and when i get some more time I will finish it, I promise. Be careful what you ask for... I hope i'm not coming across as a jerk, but i sincerely wanted to share it with you...not everyone makes things up about the spirit world. How you think it would make your faith "stronger" I don't know. Could you elaborate?
While I don't know "what" I believe in an overall sense, but I do know one thing, if only for myself.
I believe in spirits.
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Have you been able to find security after leaving JW's?
by MacNCheese ini've been a non-jw (apostate, da--depending on who's reading) for about seven years now after growing up at jw.
one of the hardest things i've had to overcome was the sense of security that being a jw gives you.
for example: i personally am somewhat affraid to fly and remember growing up praying as hard as possible that the plane wouldn't go down and for god to ease my nerves; it usually worked.
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Welcome MACandCheeze. You too Morbidz!
It's a long road to where you are now, and it's a long road getting to where you would like to be. As children we looked to our parents for security. Now that we are older, we have to find in ourselves I do believe. Perhaps you will find that to one of these days.
I know firsthand how hard it is to adjust your thinking, after you have been told how to think for so long. God, is STILL there, your just looking at him from a different perspective now, and he at you...your still looking at him, and thats what counts.
"Do any of you have a smilar story?"
I don't know that I have a similar story, but i sure have had similar feelings. It's ridiculously hard to go from having the percieved "support" of an organization, to having to stand on your own. It's even harder to have a percieved notion that God is with you, to have him abandon you. I don;t know if you still read the bible or not, and I'm not preaching here, but the story of Job (and not just the overall "theme" of the book) was REALLY good for me. God wants you to stand on your own two feet.
Congrats on standing up for yourself and I'm happy knowing your gonna feel way better, after you hang out here for a while.
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Are there things they DON'T tell you until AFTER you're baptized?
by lavendar in.
just wondering....... are there certain teachings / beliefs they don't tell a person who is studying....until after they're baptized?.
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A few thoughts if i may boys. As new as i am here, I'm not new to the "truth".
Everyone here on this board for the most part is at different stages of "leaving" or certain point "past" leaving. There are no wrongs here really, just different perspectives. Bottom line is we all recognize the society for what it is now.
The bottom line is : One way or another, they want you "in". To get you in though, you have to subject yourself. As Sacolton brings out, the questions appear to be a test to see if you CAN be indoctrinated.They KNOW that once your "IN", you will become a dependant.Subjection then becomes PART OF YOUR LIFE! Was it not 3 years ago at the Distict Convention that they said "young ones, please, make a 3 year commitment and see for yourself".(I had a reliable JW friend tell me this). Once your in, numbers say you'll stay in. As LeavingWT brings out, noone joins...their recruited.Individually and by mass. (asssemblies)
Once your "in"and since you are indoctrinated in such a way, that subjection now is given to the Elders. One thing that is great about the truth with regards controlling is that that it is so obscure. Elders, use this to their individual benefit. Once someone comes in, the subject themselves to the Elders, and I think thats where the Society got really messed up. Different Elders, from different places, have differnt views, and different understandings...it's not a united religion.
From the new recruit, to the GB, it's all one big game of Master and Servant.
I think there's also two versions of the watchtower now, one for door-to-door and one with study articles for the congregation. I don't know what the rules are on who gets that. But if you're in attendance when they study it, you hear everything.
Im assuming that the two "versions" have the same printed material. One has questions the other doesn't. Since people are more aware of the "control" religions desire to have, the questions are left out for the average joe...there is no use in preparing them for what they are in store for. It's deceitful imo. How do the rank and file explain the two versions?
Thank you. Lurk3r
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Most Disgusting Act By A Dominos Employees *Warning! Sick YouTube Videos*
by Yizuman inhttp://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2009/04/video-let-the-dominoes-appall.html.
ewwww, i mean, ewwwwwwwwwww!
how disgusting can a human being get?
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WAIT!!
It gets better....http://ncfindoffender.com/details.aspx?SRN=016454S11
That upstanding young woman filming the whole thing, is a registered sex offender. I always wondered where those folks were able to get work.
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The biggest issue the Society has to face.
by nicolaou innot paedophilia - as much as that must be dealt with.
not blood, shunning, corruption, failed prophecy, bunked chronology, the internet or u.n type scandals.. the biggest issue/threat the watchtower faces is authority.. hold up any other issue before a true jw and the shutters come down.
because they have listened to 'authority'.
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I think you guys are right, and it still falls into line with what Nic is saying. If the homosexual thing DID come to a fore in such a manner, and the society ended up accepting it, it would appear they had no authority.
How could they accept such a thing without losing LOADS of members? They couldn't. Sodom and Gomorrah is pretty straightforward. If they "talked" , even "breathed" about accepting homosexuals on ANY level...they would fall hard, as there would be many a more teaching that would have to be adjusted after.
Hmmm. I think if there are any lurkers about, they should go out and get themseves a pink suit...get this in motion.
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Wasn't it the BEST when the speaker DIDN'T SHOW for the Public Talk?
by lurk3r inand all we had to do was sit thorugh the watchtower sudy?
it was a jw christmas!.
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Same here. I remember looking out my window as a kid, thinking "woooo hooo" as the snow came falling down. I was always so disappointed when there was STILL a meeting the following morning.
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Wasn't it the BEST when the speaker DIDN'T SHOW for the Public Talk?
by lurk3r inand all we had to do was sit thorugh the watchtower sudy?
it was a jw christmas!.
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And all we had to do was sit thorugh the Watchtower Sudy? It was a JW Christmas!