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  Please Help! Wife want PROOF of Watchtower Deception

  by Indian Larry in

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  please post any examples of clear cut watchtower deception.

  my wife does not believe that the watchtower would purposely decieve her.

  i need clearcut examples of deception of by the wtbts.

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  Indiana Larry,

  You could try presenting this to your wife:

  Believing the FDS of Jehovah's Witnesses is God's approved and sole channel of truths to humankind today it should be easy to trace the roots and origins of them. Reviewing the Watchtower Society's publications (Mostly Watchtower magazine references) as shown here though…

  http://savedfromthewatchtower.blogspot.com/2008/12/faithful-and-discreet-slave-which-one.html

  ...prove they cannot even prevent contradicting the history of the FDS class.
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  Apostasy Trial - Part 6 It's finally all online...

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the entire saga, all 3 hours are now online.

  this last one took hours and hours to edit and i am so glad it is done.

  (although i still have the behind the scenes footage to put up on how i did the hidden camera lol!

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  Eric,

  Having watched the entire series of videos you provided a fine witness and testimony and I have to echo the sentiments that your recording of this judicial hearing will move many. Some it may just plant a seed of thought, for others, a full blown revealing of the organization not being what many believe it to be.

  Well done – Extremely well done. Further, you served as an excellent example of a Christian in the most idealistic sense and manner. Your depth of sincerity and conviction shone through.
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  Eric Reeder's dignified obit

  by Patron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  reeder oak ridge eric hampton reeder september 27, 2012 eric hampton reeder sadly passed away at his home in oak ridge on september 27, at 51 years.

  he's survived by two sons, tyler and travis, and many dear friends.

  he will always be seen in the mountains, seas, suns, and storms he loved.

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  Thanks for sharing that Patron. It is appreciated.
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  SAD news about OOMPA......

  by redredrose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  our friend, oompa, has passed away.

  just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.

  it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.

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  I've been away for a few days and just came across this news today. This is absolutely and completely terrible and horribly devastating. My deepest sympathies and warm thoughts to those impacted by this tragedy - Especially to those who were close to Eric.

  In a chance that this will come across as constructive rather than full throttle hurt and anger over the policies and practices of the Watchtower Society, I will implore lurkers including those who think there is some “good” within the organization to please think long and hard about that “good”. The “good” is either superficially, fake, phony, counterfeit or/and can be found elsewhere.

  This “bad” this “evil” that is not an exception and has happen and continues to happen many times over to those who were members is real, is undeniable and shows what is a at the core of the Watchtower’s fruitage. An organization that thrives off fear, superficially coated in an artificial love that becomes evident and abundant once a member leaves or is removed from the ranks.

  Shunning is by far the most evil, manipulative and abusive device employed by the Watchtower Society and enforced by Jehovah’s Witnesses. It breaks up and divides families and drives those impacted at times to mental instability, chronic depression, and extremely sad in the case of Eric Reeder – known to many as Oompa – suicide.

  Oompa, I am so, so sorry your pain and hurt was more than you could bear any longer due to the shunning you experienced…May you finally be resting in peace.
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  Detail SIMILARITIES between JWs and Mormons

  by Black Man in

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  in some of my cursory readings about mormons, they seem to be as cultish as jws, but i don't know as much about them.

  what are some of the similarities you see in them and jws?.

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  -Mormon's Joseph Smith = Jehovah's Witnesses Charles Russell

  -Encourage and influence their young to "choose" serving in a full-time proselytizing work.

  -Self-identify as Christian, though beliefs differ from mainstream Christianity.

  -During 1920's they broadcasted on national radio in part for public relations.

  --Participate in respective organization programs and activities on weekdays.

  -Oppose addictive behavior such as gambling.

  -Family Worship night.

  --Strict law requiring abstention from sexual relations outside of marriage and strict fidelity within marriage.

  -All sexual activity outside of marriage is considered a serious sin.

  -Same-sex marriages are not performed or supported.

  -Counseled not to partake in any form of media that is obscene or pornographic in any way, including depictions or graphic representations of sex and violence.

  -Have "off-shoot/splinter" groups from the main organization.

  -Mormon's "Less active" members similar to Jehovah's Witnesses "Inactive" members.
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  The PHOTO

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  when my mom died i couldn't cry.. she had had cancer before and had beaten it.

  you brace yourself.

  you wait.. but, she recovered and life went on.

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  That was beautiful Terry - At least the ending.

  Glad you had a dream come true, if not in the exact way you expected.

  I'm happy for you.
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  What's The Worst Thing About Being A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for me, i think it's that the witnesses teach they are god's spokesman.

  they represent his "faithful & discreet slave"....and that they alone are expounders of the only truth and that if you disagree with anything they teach, you are considered worse than vomit.. it's unbelievable because these people are wrong so many times, it cannot be excused!.

  as a witness, you must accept every viewpoint and if you (and your family) do not accept it all, hook, line and sinker, you are "apostates"!!!.

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  In harmony/conjunction with 00DAD...

  Swallowing the 'Blue' pill, conscientiously or not is [one of] the worst.
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  Did any of you know the TATT before you left?

  by marriedtoajw in

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  2. friends

  i know that all everyone's experience vary but i ask this because i am under the impression that since jw's are taught to avoid reading material that may be critical of their teachings they just stay away.

  yet many of you violated this at some point to come accross information that confirmed or convinced you of "the problems" with the org.

  i have also spoken to active jw's online who seem to know the controvercies but still defend the org vigorously.

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  I found some TATT without 'outside' aid. In doing some research concerning blood (fractions) within the Watchtower Library CD-ROM, I came across their previous stance on organ transplants and it being cannibalistic. Then I came across their stance on rape and how a woman was guilty of fornication and not even worthy of everlasting life if she did not cry out while being raped. None of that took me outside the Society's very own literature - They damned themselves.

  All bets were off at that point. I knew there was no way - no way - that would be something 'God's chosen' organization would ever back.

  The NGO UN stance, standing by and supporting Jimmy Swaggart in the courts, Johannes Greber backing and referencing, false prophesying among nearly endless amounts of other facts just put the icing on an already baked cake.
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  Is it hypocritical for JWs to sue over religious discrimination on the job, or school, etc.?

  by Theocratic Sedition in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the meetings, in the literature, even the social enviroment mandated upon a born-in, it's constantly reinforced that "we're no part of the world.

  " considering jesus and paul's example, they didn't instigate legal proceedings, but were forced to be the subject of such due to the opposition they recieved.

  matter fact, jesus didn't even bother defending himself, while paul only defended himself based upon his roman citizenship and the rights afforded him, not to mention the importance he placed up spearheading missionary work.. that said, where's the scriptural precedence for litigation when a jw feels he/she's been treated unfairly on the job over matters like needing vacation time to attend a convention, or holiday participation?

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  It is hypocritical, just as expecting freedom of religion but claiming neutrality.

  What if, for instance, everyone in America took a neutral stance during World War II? What if the rest of the world except Germany and their allies did as well? Nazis under Hitler would have ruled the world. The majority of religions, including Jehovah's Witnesses would have been wiped out. The publishing company would have been broke and destroyed. If not for soldiers who fought for freedom, Jehovah's Witnesses would not have the liberties they enjoy today. They'll wear their neutrality stance as a badge of pride while crying to the hilltops about their religious rights and freedom to exist, all while dismissing the obvious and simple conclusions and reasoning.

  The irony is they are able to claim neutrality and not be killed or imprisoned because of the people who actually fought in wars for such a freedom.

  A very similar scenario with Police Officers and the fact that you cannot make progress in the organization while carrying a gun contains a parallel irony. They discourage such a profession, believing it is not proper for Christians, yet expect the full protection of the law.

  So does “Jehovah” then see all Police Officers and military service people with disapproval? If yes, how do you justify or explain it especially in view of reality of both today’s world and historically? If no, what is the deciding factor?

  Sorry, didn’t mean to derail or go off on a tangent, but your post triggered this response. And the questions certainly are not directed to you Theocratic Sedition – It is to any would be defenders of their stance on the matters.
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  ABOUT TERRY

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  terry was admitted to the hospital yesterday.

  he has a severe case of cellulites which has affected his neck glands.

  his face and neck are very swollen.

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  Terry,

  Best wishes, warm thoughts, and get better soon!