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  Am i correct?

  by angel eyes in

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  this is just an obsevation from me...ok i dont mean to annoy anyone but is it true or just me?.

  i feel that ones raised in the truth are so much better of than us who came in from the world.

  i say that because they have family who are witnesses too.

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  GLTirebiter Wrote:

  He would say "You're still my children and my obligation and I love you no matter what you choose...

  He believed he would be 'blood guilty' if he left us out on our own like the society said to do.

  He was counseled by the elders and he told them flat out that he would not shun us."

  Phee, be proud of your father! It took a real man, a real Christian, to stand up for his values in the face of such opposition. May we all follow his lead!

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  GL,

  I am so very proud of him! Thanks! =)

  I don't think I could have asked for a better father. He did a few stupid things...like not go to the authorities when I was raped...But, I understand why. The org. makes really smart people do really stupid things! IMO.

  Perhaps his reasons were simple....he was also 'born in', had been DF'ed once before and knew what it was like to be ignored.

  But he did so many other things that I know some JW's would have gasped at! For one small example, if a b-day celebration was going on, he would wait while the song was being sang to whoever, and then have cake with everyone. If he was questioned, he would say "It's just cake that I'm eating that HAPPENS to be here, coincidently, on someone's b-day! There's no demons in it, get over it!"

  His bestfriend wasn't a JW, ever. In fact, his bestfriend was, and still is, the one person I've met that can substitute ANY word with the F-word...lol! But the man has a heart of gold, just rough around the edges.

  My Dad told the Elders off every chance he could get.... He loved watching his grandchildren opening christmas presents, birthday presents...searching for colored eggs...all of it, he thought it was "neat". He LOVED Christmas lights on houses and wished we could decorate ours...(Which he was couseled for cuz he said it in a car group out in service) ....etc...

  I guess it's why I didn't make a big fuss out of things and still don't. He took the mystery and demons out of everything.

  He did play along with the rules, for the most part, of being a JW...but he never let us forget who we are and to try and rise above the pettiness that is promoted among the 'brotherhood'. I could go on and on about him...the good, the bad and the ugly...My father was just a 'good man' to sum it all up.

  *sigh* I miss him terribly.

  -Phee
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  Am i correct?

  by angel eyes in

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  this is just an obsevation from me...ok i dont mean to annoy anyone but is it true or just me?.

  i feel that ones raised in the truth are so much better of than us who came in from the world.

  i say that because they have family who are witnesses too.

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  Phee

  Hrmmm....

  I was 'born in' and I can't really say one way or another whether it was 'better' or not.

  My father was a 'cool' JW and my mother was an irrational JW (and still is). I think it really depends on your social situation and family dynamics. My father being 'cool' allowed me to see the realities in the world and be a logical thinker, while my mother didn't approve, she allowed it to continue because my father was 'the head of the house'.

  My father didn't do 'family study' with us because, in his words "They get enough from meeting preparation and having to set through it on meeting nights..." My mother hated this! But I understand what his logic was....Why cram it into our heads even more when the society does a great job?

  I was also raped by a MS while 'in' and it was brushed under the rug.....I was also raped by a family member that was also a JW... Both cases dissmissed by the KH 'authorities' and not dealt with by the police. I believe that was another disadvantage to being 'raised in'.

  I was one of the lucky ones, when I left, my family still treated me as though nothing were different. That's where my father's 'cool' side really shown through. He would say "You're still my children and my obligation and I love you no matter what you choose." Not your typical JW answer. He believed he would be 'blood guilty' if he left us out on our own like the society said to do. He was couseled by the elders and he told them flat out that he would not shun us. (all 4 of us kids left)

  I'll tell you, that display of fatherly affection and Christ-like love is what has kept me a believer in Christ to this day. I believe my father had a lot figured out even if he didn't share it with us. (He passed away almost 7 years ago) Those types of people that show mercy and love and forgiveness are true Christians and true humanitarians. Showing love for thy neighbor, family and friends...regardless of religion, race or age, is what I will choose to mimic. Not the parroting, hoping-every-one-else-will-die-so-I-can-have-their-house-after-armageddon, self righteous, adult and children abusing and covering it up, cult minded, harrassing, you can never do enough, lying and misguiding BS of the people that call themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses".

  -Phee
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  Odd things pioneers have done

  by badboy in

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  any examples?.

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  The reason I said OCD is because these 'ticks' of her's were almost rhythmic, like three face ticks, 7 movements in her fingers...stuff like that.

  OCD sufferers sometimes have outward actions of their mental rituals. In fact, the two are sometimes intertwined. "28-50% of people with Tourette syndrome have symptoms of OCD." -Quote taken from 'The free dictionary'

  Anyways...I was just making a point that there was definitly something wrong and it was the best way I can describe her actions. I'm not a doctor, I didn't personally oversee her diagnosis...so, I'm sorry if you found my diagnostician skills lacking.

  Sheesh!
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  Odd things pioneers have done

  by badboy in

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  any examples?.

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  Well, I'm not sure that it had anything to do with being a pioneer, perhaps just a psycho...

  If the householder didn't want to talk and started closing the door, he would place his book bag in the door and continue, usually yelling by this time, at the person. Or he would put his foot in the door. I remember only going to the door ONCE with him, it was enough, and he did it. I walked away completely embarrassed!

  Another pioneer in our hall had ticks...like turrets or something, perhaps OCD? I don't know what was wrong with her. She ended up being diagnosed with some mental illness and couldn't stand being in large crowds. I felt sorry for her. Aside from being brainwashed, she was a truly sincere and sweet lady.

  One other pioneer had...I dunno what to call it...Well, the story is this; This guy and his Wife were VERY sweet! In fact, I had them over for dinner here last summer. I've known them since I was like 5. Anyways...Him and his Wife cleaned one of the grocery stores after hours, but when he was having a bad day (because he had epilepsy) my parents would go and help his Wife at the store. Well, one time when they went to help, I was at home with this guy alone. We were setting there just talking about my school work and stuff and he got REALLY quiet. What little bit of color he had in his face completely drained. I thought he was about to have a seizure! So I just sat and stared at him waiting...

  What happened next both scared the crap outta me and has been burned into my memory to this day...

  While I sat there staring at him...it looked like a camera flashed. But 100X brighter. The light was SO bright and it flooded the room so completely, you couldn't see anything but the light. No furniture, no color, no floor. The hair on my neck stood up. It only lasted a second at best, but it felt like 20. Afterwards I asked him what it was...he was dead silent, wouldn't, or couldn't, talk. I stood up and looked outside to see if it was lightning. Not a cloud in the sky, there was no thunder afterwards...if it was lightning, it was REALLY close, we definitly should have heard thunder.

  After a minute or two, he finally started speaking, he told me that it happens to him 'all of the time'!!

  So I was relating this story to my Brother... I didn't even get to the white light part of the story...and he finished my story for me! It happened with him too when he was with this guy! Don't know what it was...still don't. But I think that qualifies as an 'odd thing' with pioneers...doesn't it? lol

  -Phee
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  New here

  by goldensky in

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  dear all,.

  i discovered this site only a couple of weeks ago and i already feel affection for you.. i am a 48-year-old woman and i live in spain, where i was born and raised, so i apologize in advance for my inevitable lack of style and possible grammar mistakes, due to english not being my native tongue.. i grew up in the truth and jehovah and the congregation have filled my whole life.

  i've had little contact with the outside world.

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  Goldensky,

  Thankyou for sharing your story. It is interesting when this 'epiphany' occurs. Whether you're in or outside the organization even! I had been out for over 10 years before I decided that it wasn't the truth!

  You seem like a strong and beautiful person and I hope that you find all of the peace and comfort you seek. Welcome to the board!

  Love,

  Phee
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  What do you think about David Letterman now?

  by asilentone in

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  i am sure all of you know about it by now..

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  Phee

  I'd still do him...
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  missing forum members?

  by jookbeard in

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  sir nose.

  tijkmo.

  troubledmind.

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  Phee

  Oh thanks...haven't posted in ages and no one knows I'm missing! *hurmph*.... .....ok, so I would be considered 'new'...BUT...I am perfectly 'missable'...(Is that a word??) heheh
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  stars without makeup SHOCKERS !!!!!!!

  by caliber in

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  before you judge yourself to harshly ...just get into the real world girls !!!!.

  look how even the stars can look sometimes !!!!.

  cheer up.. hold your head up high .

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  Here's a good site...*ugh*

  http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/
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  Why don't JW's go to the apostates and prove them wrong as Jesus did?

  by moomanchu in

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  jesus accepted the spirit's invitation to go into the desert and be tempted by satan.. he proved his faith and proved satan wrong.. why don't they follow jesus's example?.

  why are they so frightened to have their faith tested?.

  jw's used to be always on offense when it came to debate.. they are now mostly on defense..

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  Because you can't prove someone who is right, wrong.

  It would not be a "test of faith"....it would be showing them that the very basket they've put all of their eggs in....has a HUGE hole in the bottom of it....that is the scary part, they don't want to be told the truth.

  They want to have their 'ears tickled'.

  This almost seems like a silly question....lol....no offence, just thinking...you probably already knew the answer to this.

  -Phee
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  Demons under the bed..................

  by Warlock in

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  you know, some of you say the j.w.

  's see demons under the bed.. well, you know, some of you see j.w.

  's under the bed.. that's all.. warlock .

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  Phee

  well...if there is one under the bed, I hope he's hot. Mmmmm