Posts by iggy_the

1) Full public apology in person from the GB (for the lies, doctrinal deceptions, dishonest literature, etc), with them in stocks, rotten fruit and manure supplied free.

2) A large bonfire of WTBS books and mags.

3) An abandonment of the NWT as their bible, and adoption of some other one (why not the NIV for argument's sake). An abandonment of their belief in the bible as the literal message of God to mankind. An abandonment of necessarily believing in God at all.

4) Live bands playing the music, let's have some up-beat stuff, inspirational stuff. Thursday night could be Karaoke night. Hall bookshop counters turned into bars.

5) Talks based on philosophy, science, the arts, and only occasionaly theology. Anyone who mentions the last days gets a custard pie in the face.

Someone should tell the GB that there's probably much more money to be made with this sort of "Atheist" religion, than there is continuing with their current strategy.

ig.

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Hooked On A Kingdom Song.

by Englishman in

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i've just been playing back farkels rendition of his "dubsticks".

it really makes me smile, the way that he makes the melody weave in an out of "chopsticks" and then "from house to house" in a way that is so fluid that it brings to mind the almost seamless stitching together of the old "hooked on 45's" and "hooked on classics" albums of the early 80's.. so i was thinking, what kingdub songs could we weave effortlessly into existing music?

i can think of two or three right now.. "we thank you jehovah" bears more than a passing resemblance to haydns "creation" imho.. then again "keep your eyes on the pies" is almost, to my tuneless ear anyway, a carbon copy of "some day my prince will come" from the movie snow white.. finally, an old kingdub song whose name escapes me, but carrying the words "it's your commission now to preach", always puts me in mind of the main them running through wagners "lohengrin".. now i'm not suggesting for one minute that maestro farkel should work on melodies such as these for the sole purpose of our mutual tittilation.

iggy_the_fish

For me, there was always something about "We're Jehovah's Witlesses" which put me in mind of the dam-busters march! Not that they sound exactly alike, but if I try to hum "We're JWs" I find that it morphs naturally into the main theme from the dam-busters march. Maybe it's just me!

ig (passed grade 2 piano at the age of 29 last week, yay! & hoping one day to be half as good as maestro Farkel!)

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I "cant wait "till Jehovah kills more.

by gumby in

here is a nice sample of some dub reasoning that may bring back some memories of how we thought at one time.

this is taken from a post on a dub site discusion about "when the tribulation will begin".....(bold type is mine).

with our new understanding of "this generation" we know that all or some of us here may grow old and die in this system of things.

iggy_the_fish

...keeping up with Jehovah's celestial chariot?? That's priceless!

ig.

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Why Christianity is true

by gumby in

here is an article by hank hanagraff, a bible apologist from " equip.org.".

here is why he feels chrisianity is different from other religions.

( your comments?

iggy_the_fish

Dedalus, I can't logically disprove your assertion that you're the Messiah, so therefore you must be!

Please forgive me for all my terrible naughty sins, and please grant me a feeling of superiority over all those who don't follow you. Please give me lots of eternal life, and help me to stone the heretics who claim you're just some ordinary bloke.

I say Dedalus is the Messiah, and I should know, I've followed a few.

ig

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How do you fill your spiritual need , EWjW's?

by LyinEyes in

since i am free from the chains of the wt and their rules, i am becoming so much more open minded to looking into other forms of spiritulity.

i just read comf's thread about his wicca experience and it was soooo interesting .

i know many on this board have their own way of dealing with their need for spirituality.

iggy_the_fish

IMHO, I think my spiritual need comes from a need I have (as a human being) for things to make some sort of sense. In the past (my JW past that is) I believed in the WT God, and this made everything make sense for a while. Now I believe in no God or gods, only atoms, quarks, gluons, bosons, fermions and all the others. I fill my spiritual need by meditating on how dumb atoms come to be bonded together to make conscious beings such as ourselves.

I think it's part of our evolutionary heritage that we seek to make sense out of this experience we call life. I think Jesus' reported words (to which you allude in the title of this thread) were right - "Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need". Nowadays I re-interpret the term "spiritual need" to mean a "need to explain their existance", rather than a "relationship with their creator".

ig.

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Man 0 - Jehovah 1

by PopeOfEruke in

what really started cheesing me off with the wt and awake magazines while i was still an active jw was the constant propaganda based on man versus jehovah.

it was as if there was a great tug-of-war being propogated between man and god by the wt society.

everything that man made was constantly criticised and belittled, while whatever jehovah made was so great!

iggy_the_fish

This brings back memories of that horrid "How Did Life Get Here, By Evolution or Creation?" piece of mis-quoting fact bending intellectual dishonesty. There was a whole chapter devoted to "doesn't man think he's sooo clever, inventing sonar/jet engines/electricity, when we all know that Jerhoooover invented it first in bats/squid/eels". What idiots they were to compare the jet engine (where combustion of fuel and oxygen from the air and subsequent expansion of the gasses takes place) with the squid's system of propulsion (a blowing of water from a chamber).

I hated the constant rubbishing of man's achievements. Most scientists that I have known are decent and honourable people, not at all the demon-influenced-self-righteous-bigots that the WT used to make them out to be.

Up an atom!

ig.

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God is nature

by joelbear in

i believe god is nature, which includes all of us and that god uses our sensory mechanisms to experience everything.

at some moments god can actually experience everything as one time.

iggy_the_fish

I believe in the four fundamental forces of physics so far known to us (gravity and electromagnetic/strong nuclear/weak nuclear), and I hope to live long enough to see a grand unified theory which unifies these four forces into one mathematical description. I believe we are simply a product of the laws of physics (after a few billion years of cooking time) - no need for any other consciousnesses (gods or Gods) doing any tinkering with us.

I believe past societies needed to believe in God, in the sense that when your crops failed they needed someone to sacrifice their virgins to. Given a few more thousand years of deafening silence from this "God" fellow(ess) and maybe we'll move on from needing to believe in him.

ig.

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Does praying "work"?

by SpannerintheWorks in

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has anybody got any hard evidence that asking for something, through prayer, actually gives them what they were asking for?.

jesus promised to give anything to them that asked.

have you asked for something (in prayer), but it hasn't been given?.

iggy_the_fish

Well, it works for me - in that I don't belive in God, and every now and again I pray to Him saying "I don't belive in you, and if you have a problem with that please let me know" - it gets it all out of my system I suppose. Maybe it's just a way of focusing one's mind - like talking through your problems with a friend sometimes throws them into sharper focus. I happen to belive that if there is a God, he has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with us at the moment. The more I think about it, the more sense a Godless (and more generally a supernaturalless) universe makes. Writing this is a lot like praying - focusing the mind and all that. If I was a beliver, I'd probably think God was blessing me with peace of mind and deeper understanding. Ramble ramble.

ig.

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Let's Have a Joke / Gag Thread!

by SpannerintheWorks in

i know you've heard them before...but here goes...!.

two guys are playing darts when 2 nuns walk in, order a drink and sit down near to the dartboard.

mr. bullseye has always fancied a .

iggy_the_fish

Drummers are often the butt of cruel jokes told amongst musicians. Here's my favourite.

A drummer walks into a music shop. He approaches the sales counter and says "How much for the saxophone and the accordian?"

The shopkeeper says "Are you a drummer?"

The drummer replies "Yes, how did you know?!?!"

The shopkeeper says "Because the fire extinguisher's not for sale, and the radiator's screwed to the wall."

Hope none of you are drummers!

ig.

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