Posts by jeandeau

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Should i tell him what is really going on with me? I care about him so much.

by make yourself in

for some reason the doubts came lurking back again.

i know this religion is messed up because a person should not be having creeping doubts surface up like this.

i have not posted or logged on to this site in a very long time.

jeandeau

Recognise the JW's are offering something you need or at least appears to be the something you need, else you wouldn't be attracted to that scene. You must find a different place to satisfy those needs and sooner the better. we need friends hope and happiness but the WT is not a true place. You have doubts and for good reason. Likely you have noticed the arguments presented by the WT are partial, leveraged and never give respectful coverage of opposing views. There is no place for your views or reasoned conscience within this society. In the end it is entirely about power, authority structure and exercising dominion over you. Jesus died to set you free, not for you to be a slave of men again. Jesus died and nailed the law to the torture stake he died on . The watchtower organization now prides itself in having built up a new and immense body of law they call "new law" saying this is the law of God and impell you to follow it unquestioningly on threat of expulsion and shunning by family and former friends. They say that Christians must now go through them as mediators to Jesus and Jehovah. The WTBTS has aattempted to nullify the blood and sacrifice of Jesus, setting themselves up as a new priestly class and restoring the mosaic law in a new form with it's dependance on works for salvation.

Read the book "The gentile times revisited", an outstanding work of research that utterly disproves the 1914 calculation. The author who was a pioneer JW was disfellowshiped for his work when he asked the governing body to read the research and consider it. Read the two books "Crisis of Conscience" and "In search of Christian Freedom" by Ray Franz who was a member of the governig body untill he was disfellowshipped after he spoke to a few friends about personal doubts and reservations about certain dogma of the church. doubt is scorned and speaking about the substance of arguments counter to WT policy and dogma will get you disfellowshiped for certain. They WILL find a way because the absolutely most important thing of all to the watchtower society beyond any doubt is THE AUTHORITY STRUCTURE THEY ARE INVESTED IN.

Good luck, We all care about you.

Jeandeau

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SAD news about OOMPA......

by redredrose in

jw
friends

our friend, oompa, has passed away.

just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.

it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.

jeandeau

Thank you Oompa (Eric), you helped me exit the JW / WTBTS cult. Your humor and witty precise insights helped me to think for myself to recognize and see clearly the true nature of the organization. It is a carefully crafted mind numbing, intoxicating, debilitating entity that ruins lives and families and deprives us of the human right to embrace neighbours and family fully and have their support when we need it most. Your humor and words of assistance to people such as I who have been suffering greatly, have been immeasurable except that your good heart and kindness have proved greater and far more lasting than the damage done by the "Borg". I no longer scream out repeatedly in mental anguish, pain and anger through a stream of tears till my throat is raw. Love shall overcome. God bless you, your work on earth is done. It is time to rise up on the wings of an eagle and rest in a higher place.

Thank you again,

Kurt Littlewood (Jeandeau)

PS I took the spiritual name of jeandeau from the french "Jean d' eau" which translates "John of water" which reflects my affinity to John the baptist, his recognition of Jesus, and the water that washes away the sins and pain of the past, refreshes, sustains life and is clear, clear, clear.

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2008 Generation Change

by cognac in

i don't pay to much attention to jw stuff and so i don't know what this change was.

can anybody inform me?.

jeandeau

I have seen this organization morph from the religion of God and Jesus to religion of the anointed 144 000 to religion of the remnant to religion of an exalted faithful slave mediating for us before almighty God. We are no better now than catholics on their knees kissing the ring on the finger of the Pope or doing obeisance before his bishops.

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JW friend wants to tell me about Christ's return in 1914....Advice needed!

by whyizit in

my long time friend recently took the plunge (baptized) and is now trying to recruit me.

one of the first things she told me is how all the "other religions" should be carefully inspected, because they are all wrong, in a nut shell.

so, i asked the obvious: i'm not concerned with all the others, i'm here to talk about your's.

jeandeau

I don't know if it is best to recomend reading

1 "the gentile times reconsidered" starting with how the WTS dealt with an honest inquiry.

2 "Crisis of Conscience" The absolute honesty and humility of a caring chrisitan in the boardroom at the top of the watchtower society and how the Board of Goverors treated him and his conscientious concerns.

3 "In search of christion freedom" What it really means to be a Christian and what faith requires.

Remember, Love is patient.

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70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

jeandeau

Thanks to all who have contributed, especially allelsefails and ultimate reality. For myself. I had to see how the 607 -1914 chronology was rewritten numerous times, Russels teachings and reasonings on this matter vehemently rejected by the WTS, The final logic for the 1914 derivation deduced and set to publication in 1943 (29 years after the prophesied event) using a little stretch of a year to make things fit, and overwhelming archaelological evidence that jerusalem was destroyed about 587 BCE, not 607 BCE. Then I opened my eyes to see the horrific collateral damage the WTS has incurred through the years (I knew of some and suspected much more) and blinded myself to. The WTS pattern in clinging to fancifull proposed prophecies and fulfillments is a pattern established over millenia of the christian and Judaic traditions, hoping for the fulfillment of the promise in the near future. Nothing new here except the power this organization has wielded over millions of gullible gentle hearted sheep such as myself. They have beaten and fleeced the flock of Christ and will one day stand before God's Judgement throne in front of Jesus Christ and have to answer for their proud arrogant deciptful merciless actions. Yes, the 70 years prophecy when read carefully finds a reasonably exact fulfillment in the babylonian regional domination from about 608 BCE to 538 BCE ( I stand to be corrected by a year or two there) while there is no support whatever that The temple was destroyed etc. in 607BCE rather than 588 or so as given by all reliable sources I know of. There is no need to extrapolate the 7 times of Nebuchadnezzar into the times of the gentiles or any good biblical reason for such. The entire WTS 1914 thing is a fantasy that has been used to give unlimited authority to a small group of men who have acted as wolves in sheeps clothing, devouring the flock. I recognise my faith is not establishable in the sense science and engineering work from repeatable results. Faith reaches out for the unverifiable, but it shouldn't defy all logic and harden the heart. The WTS teaches that helping "the least of these my brothers" means supporting the "annointed" esp. the governing body in Brooklyn by whatever means we can,(did I incorrectly infer that means send money and promote loyalty?). I absolutely and without equivocation believe Jesus was talking about the homeless filthy drunk in the alley behind the dumpster, lost in despair and misery, apparently without a freind. That is the one Jesus wants us to turn our heart to and assist.

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607--1914 chronology origin and modifications summarised

by jeandeau in

i am interested in summarising how rutherford and the wts originally set forth the 607 (606) -1914 chronology.

this is hidden from witnesses today and only a sanitized "trimmed for easy consumption" version is taught to avoid "confusing" the faithful.

for thirty years the questions ate a larger and larger hole in my gut as a jw as it became more evident that the full truth was not being revealed to us for ulterior motives.

jeandeau

thanks for the inputs and the reminder of how the 1914 date was energetically affirmed by Russel on the basis of Pyramid measurements etc. and how setting of imagined heavenly events to dates changed as often as the dates themselves and the supports proposed for those percieved connections. It is worthy to note that the current "chronology" for establishing 1914 was first published in 1943. every previous "chronological basis for prophecy" was abandoned and is dilligently hidden from current JW membership.

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My experience at the District Convention today - Appreciate your comments

by BonaFide in

i know i am the one to constantly harp on this board how the organization has lost its "swagger" and the baptism and attendance is going down, and people are waking up.. not so fast.. the audience cried, i mean a lot of people cried when they played some of the songs from the new songbook.

some had bethel singers who sounded pretty good singing them.

so many after the program were saying how touched they were.. then the new release of the book showing how the book of acts prefigures the organization today.

jeandeau

I empathise and sympathise. We are human beings and our strengths and weaknesses come from that. I share your wish to see reality and honesty prevail with love. Most JWs cling to and build their lives around a beautiful hope and dream that was partly founded on the great hope given to mankind through the bible. The organization puts together a sweet, friendly, easy to swallow package that looks pretty on the outside but hides its deceptive falacious roots, and rotting foul vile satanic authoritarian true inner nature and structure. We want to believe when we are in love. Frankly.... You must expand your freindships and love outside the JW sphere of influence immediately. You must learn to love and trust others, learn how beautiful other people can be. You have to grow up truly for the first time in your life and take ownership of your life. That is your true God given responsibility and right. Do it now. Don't drag in the past. There is a beautiful world out there.

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Why is it so - is it a social virus - or a stop-gap for a certain need ?

by A Paduan in

the org advertises, recruits, controls and damages it's own hosts in a mission of self-replication - utilising bent speech and lies to exist in the lives of others - having no life of it's own, but rather, a design to use others, without a self-awareness - what is that?.

jeandeau

Yes, it is a virus that cripples its hosts. It still has the transforming message of the gospel in its roots and a outward show of love and concern and pacifism and outward profession of insistance on truth and goodness and purity of doctrine and love of God and Neighbor. No wonder people such as I are drawn to it. It took 27years for me to accept what I started suspecting after three years. In fact I had to be disfellowshipped before I could get far enough away to see the truth. I was DFed on a matter that only gave the elders a gun to shoot me with. The problem was that I was looking for freindship, true freindship, real freindship. I was looking for Love from each and every one of the elders, calling out for love, crying a pool of tears on the kitchen table of one elder. begging them to give me a few minutes to examine my heart and find my need and look into my eyes and soul and touch and fix the crippling injuries in my heart and soul that were crippling my life. They didn't have the time or the heart or the interest. Disfellowshipping me made their lives easier so they could go on with assembly parts, meeting parts, service, service preparation with their families(some have lost their children since to DFing), family WT studies, family meeting preparation,....... . Who had time to shepard the flock. They were certainly fast and eager to form a comitteee and DF me. That could be done quickly iin a two week program prescribed clearly for them by "The Organization", the authoritarian Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They now felt justified that they did not need to open their minds to complex issues, let alone stop,, look truly into someones eyes,, and open their hearts.

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Was a GB memeber deleted for molestation?

by Albert Einstein in

some time ago, i read on the internet, that in late 70s there was a gb member (his name should be leo greenslee) who was accused of molestation of a little boy - son of a witness family.

after this was revealed, he was supposed to be removed from bethel to serve as a special pioneer out of new york and have died in 80s.. have you heard about it?.

albert.

jeandeau

Attn allelsefails: I presume you speak of Raymond Franz as "The Great Apostate" in respect to how he is viewed by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. When you put him in the same paragraph as Greenlees and Chitty, some uninformed people may make the mistake of thinking he is of a similar character. I am grateful Ray Franz has given the world an unparalled insight into the sordid failure of religious authority from the seat of power and top boardroom, along with an insightful analysis of how our common humanity is at the root of these failures and we all have the seeds of such failure within us as human beings. Kudos to Ray.

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607--1914 chronology origin and modifications summarised

by jeandeau in

i am interested in summarising how rutherford and the wts originally set forth the 607 (606) -1914 chronology.

this is hidden from witnesses today and only a sanitized "trimmed for easy consumption" version is taught to avoid "confusing" the faithful.

for thirty years the questions ate a larger and larger hole in my gut as a jw as it became more evident that the full truth was not being revealed to us for ulterior motives.

jeandeau

I was quite foggy and last night. The book and author mentioned should be "The Gentile Times Reconsidered" by Carl Olof Jonson. Yes I did mean to address the chronology developed by Charles Taze Russel and modified and held to by Rutherford and subsequent leaders of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (WBTS). Thanks for the reference to pyramidology. No wonder the WBTS doesn't want us to know (hides) past history of the WBTS and tells us "present truth" is all we need to know.