Posts by Cadellin

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Hypocritical Tyndale video

by neat blue dog in

at a recent midweek meeting, a short documentary about translator william tyndale was shown.

it begins with this statement about his death:.

"his crime?

Canadians and Europeans, what do you think of your national health care ?

by RubaDub in

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we have been in a battle over health care for so long here in the us regarding public, private, gov't subsidized, obama care, medicare for all, and just about every permutation of the above.. we hear the horror stories here that people wait 20 years for a check-up (ok, bit of an exaggeration), but you get the point.

one side tells us that canadians flock across the border when they are sick and need to see a doctor.

the other side says that is simply not the case.. so tell us, if you live under one of the government systems would you replace it?

Cadellin

I haven't lived in Canada for many years but my experience with Canada's healthcare has been very good. Both of my elderly parents received prompt and high quality care. Mind you, there are elderly people in the US who also received such care from Medicare.

However, the problem is for people like me--mid-fifties. My husband and I are both very healthy, nonsmokers, runners, no complications, etc. But for us to get health insurance, it would be somewhere around $1200-$1500/month and that with a very very very high deductible (I want to say around $10,000-$15,000 per year). So essentially, we would be paying $1,000/mos. and STILL have to pay for doctor's visits, prescriptions, etc. Keep in mind, too, that the private insurer gets to say what it considers "covered" and not, so even if we did go to the doctor and have a bill for $3,000 that we idealistically think will be applied to our deductible, the for-profit insurer could easily say, "Sorry, only $1700 of that will count toward your deductible."

The US situation is an unmitigated disaster unless you are poor (Medicaid), old (Medicare) or rich. Or, unless you have a wonderful employer (like I do, thank God) who subsidizes a decent comprehensive plan.

Irony: The only reason my elder husband and I have good health insurance is because I went to university! The very thing that the WBTS forbids!! HA!!

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January 2020 Watchtower - Dogma being force-fed yet again as "truth"!

by The Fall Guy in

if the wording & context of a scripture is dismissed at the outset, then every statement and assumption which follows is implicititly false.

in the very first study article, the gibbering body continues to indoctrinate the sheeple to accept that over 500 people met jesus on the mountain - despite the blatant fact that 1 corinthians 15:6 says absolutely nothing about the 500 people being anywhere near galilee!

(matthew 28:16-20) however, the 11 disciples went to galʹi·lee to the mountain where jesus had arranged for them (the 11 disciples) to meet.

Cadellin

Interesting article finally addressing the fact that anointed numbers continue to rise. The article is FULL of what "we" do "not do." Rule-making in full bloom, as is doubling down on how anyone "anointed" better not get any ideas about being special in any way shape or form because they sure as hell AREN'T and they better not forget it!

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Another one bites the dust

by stillin in

a close-by young brother, actually your basic, garden-variety, sexually-repressed, 40-year old virgin in the congregation has been charged with sexual misconduct with a minor.

i've known this guy since he was a kid and he has always been strange, in a nerdy kind of way.

he always wants to sound knowledgeable and wise when he comments at meetings, but i think he is bi-polar and depressed about who he is in life.

Cadellin

There is a big difference between a 30 year old wanting to have sex with a 17 year old and wanting to have sex with a 7 year old.

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The PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER, Sunday October 6, 2019

by lastmanstanding in

big article.. https://www.inquirer.com/news/inq/jehovahs-witnesses-silent-history-child-sex-abuse-20180425.html.

Cadellin

This is a good article but the quote about parents holding a wake for a daughter when she was disfellowshipped is inaccurate enough to discredit the whole thing in the eyes of most JWs. Witnesses do not hold wakes, as anyone associated knows, and so including a pull-out box with that kind of quote is really problematic. I wish reporters would check their facts.

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November 2019 Watchtower (Would love to hear the comments in the hall)

by pleaseresearch in

from the november 2019 watchtower study edition.. how many of you would like to know what the brothers and sisters would respond to this question.

also, if you went into a hall how would you like to respond to the question.. 8. how should we respond to lies?.

8 satan, “the father of the lie,” uses those under his control to spread lies about jehovah and about our brothers and sisters.

Cadellin

Magnum says, "they're implying that everything that "apostates" say is a lie."

Very true but even more--they also imply that ANYTHING negative or critical of JW or the WBTS on the media is a lie, by its very nature of being negative or critical. So the response, at seeing anything negative or critical is "critical = apostates = lies." This shuts down the whole critical thinking process (assuming the viewer has much of one to begin with).

As far as the Genesis account--YES! No one can explain how it is that the three promises Satan makes to Eve were ALL TRUE! The society has not published anything acknowledging or explaining that!!

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Sex before marriage.

by nicolaou in

mrs nic' and i were 16 and 18 years old respectively when we first met at a circuit assembly in corby.

three years later we were married.

we've had a great time, we're very lucky but looking back i can see how crazy it is to put that pressure to marry on teenagers.

Cadellin

There was a sister who told us by way of conversation that her boys were not interested in girls.

Zeb--Well, maybe they weren't! I suspect there are numerous JW boys who play for the other team...

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Ruin those Ruining th Earth

by peacefulpete in

it has been mentioned before but since we have been discussing environmental issues on another thread, i thought it might be timely to discuss rev 11:18 which has recently become a popular text for those christians concerned about environmental threats of pollution and climate change.

is this passage being interpreted correctly?

did the writer somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

Cadellin

Witnesses like to apply it to ecological ruin, as if the Bible was predicting the environmental crisis we are currently in. However, the marginal reference in the NWT to Rev. 11:18 is to Gen. 6:11: 1 But the earth had become ruined in the sight of the true God, and the earth was filled with violence.

So "ruined" refers to being ruined by violence, which aligns with the idea of "corrupt" or "corruption" as already mentioned and not with ecological ruination. The JW misinterpretation of Rev. 11:18 was one of the final straws that broke my publisher's back. The last time I was out in field service, I read that scripture at the door and recited the orthodoxy about how the Bible was predicting the ecological ruination we see around us, even though I knew that was an eisegetical error. My conscience killed me afterward and I thought to myself--never again.

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Article: Telegraph-JW agrees not to show son religious cartoons because of risk of 'Emotional Damage'

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/11/jehovahs-witness-agrees-not-show-son-religious-cartoons-risk/?wt.mc_id=tmg_share_fb.

a jehovah's witness has agreed not to show his son religious cartoons and has been banned from taking the six-year-old to some church events because it could cause him "emotional damage".

the man is embroiled in a family court dispute with his estranged wife and has been barred by a court from taking the little boy to jehovah's witness assemblies, annual conventions and memorials.. district judge malcolm dodds also said that the father had agreed not to show his son "jehovah's witness cartoons", a decision he described as "wise".

Cadellin

I am no JW apologist but any time you have a government entity deciding how much a parent can, well, parent a child, especially in matters as personal as religious belief, is disconcerting.Will the judge next require a Jewish parent to include Christmas along with Hannukah because the child might suffer emotional damage? It's the principal--some things are none of a government's business.

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Personal story of bethel, sexual abuse and child baptism

by GetMeOutofHere in

born into a strong jw family in the early 80s.

my father died when i was 4 and that left a huge emotional scar on my tender mind.

with my mother, i went to live with family members and was sexually abused between 4 and 10. he was an ms but when elders later found out, all that happened was he got his privileges removed.

Cadellin

Welcome! You are not alone, nor are you crazy. When I was leaving, I felt both alone and that I might be crazy, since so many of the intelligent people around me couldn't see the lies and other issues. You do have options, other than being DF'd or continuing PIMO. That is, the Fade. Many of us have done that to good success, but it is a very slow process (usually). Have a JW wife will make it a bit harder, but still not impossible. At any rate, take baby steps.

Also, do get professional help. The fact that you think you might have "enjoyed" aspects of the abuse does NOT mean you were complicit or to blame or guilty in any way shape or form. YOU were the victim. And the therapist will also help you deal with leaving the religion. I know that I went into therapy as I left and it was one of the best decisions I made. You have started a difficult and painful journey but there is light ahead...