Posts by AlexHall

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my brother said i cant ever meet his baby

by Cordelia in

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i started a thread about my dad finding me on facebook but the truth is my brother was on it ive just got a call from him saying i cant have anything to do with facebook or i can have nothing to do withj him or his baby!!!.

i feel so upset ok i was on ex jw sites on there but even gettin rid of then was not enough he said i have to get rid of facebook forever or i cant see him or my nephew#.

i dont know what to do.... my dad is in the middle and not well and old and so sad at the cofrontationtation i feel bad!!!

AlexHall

Im guessing you are a fullgrown woman that live in your own apartment and have your own life? Your decisions are yours to make. Your brother is trying to control you. He probably belives he´s doing this out of love to you and God.

Tell him that shunning you wont change your ways or they way your are thinking. You have your own relationship with God, that has nothing to do with with your brother.

Tell him you love him, but you have to live your life, not being controlled by his whims.

I know this most be so hard, and the easy way out of this is doing what he wants. But in the long run you haven´t solwed anything. Soon he will find more things that annoy him, and you´ll lose part of who you are everytime you give something up. I don´t really understand why he wants you to delete you fb account, he should be more worried about your connection to the ex-jw groups.

I wonder why he don´t ask you what you belive in and try to teach you the "truth" or atleast open up for a disscution about your belifes. Its like curing a headache with pill that only hides the sympthoms.

I hope everything will work out for you. Take care

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If your family member was in prison due to a corrupt government, would you lie to get them out?

by BonaFide in

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i know weird scenario.

but would you lie to help someone?

for example, would you bribe a guard to let him out?

AlexHall

Well, it is dishonest, but desperate times calles for desperate measueres. In a perfect world my family would listen to the info I had in an nonjudgemental way and then decide what they wanna belive. But I know that this will never happen, instead they shun me and regard everything I say as apostate material.

But I also have to respect their choises. I can´t force them to do anything they don´t wanna do. They have to live their life, no mather what I belive in. Freedom of religion. I have no problem with my family beeing Witnesses if that makes them happy. I only wish that I could change their wievpoint on shunning and accepting me and my freedom of religion.

If i was 100% sure that everything with the witnesses was evil and wrong I would lie to help them get out, but I prefeer if that change can come from me beeing honest and true to my choises

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..Your Worst Injury...

by OUTLAW in

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most of you know,i live in the wilderness..i am my own doctor..i smashed my knee-cap,and it frigg`n hurts..it will heal,but i will suffer till it does.........what was your worst injury and how did you get through it?.............for me it`s rum and pain killers right now..not too much of either,or i won`t be able to survive in the wilderness.............................................outlaw.

AlexHall

I broke my hand once and managed to crush 4 teeth in the process. Slammed into a wall running. Rather stupid, i know, but they told me faith could move mountains, so i thought I would start with the wall. As history taught me, it did´nt work

I been at the hospital two more times for injuries on my face. and still manage to look good

Ignoring the pain, is always good, painkillers if that dont work

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If they can shun......so can I

by KAYTEE in

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let me first say that i believe in god, in jesus and the holy spirit.

therefore to hear the watchtower liken us who have been df, ( in our case asking questions about u.n. paedophiles 607 etc ) liken us to the first apostate the devil i find them judgmental in the extreme, not surprised but very offensive.. thanks to "flipper" with his thread i have decided to ban my brother in law from coming to my home, this year he intends to come over from spain where the need is great, ............the wine.and the beaches very nice too.. he is going to visit his mother who now because of dementia lives with us.. he will not be allowed on my premises at all, he will pick mum up at the front gate.. as a witness you must accept what the so called boffins tell you.. therefore if he can align himself with thinking that way, of his sister and myself then he is not welcome.. i will only accept him in my home when he gets out of her (babylon the great).

kt.

AlexHall

John 13: 34

I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU , that YOU also love one another.

35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.”

It´s easy to fight fire with fire, but the result will most probably not be what you want. We can´t force our family to belive what we have come to belive. They shunn us so that we shall repent and return to the org. If we start shunning them, we loose all our chanses to help them see that there is another side to the coin. My family belive that by shunning me, they are actually helping me see truth. But it´s also the easy way out. To stand firm, daring to speak to them, even when your hurting and still tell them that you love them even when they treat you like dust, thats fighting for your family.

I love my family, even when they drive me insane. Hopefully someday they will see that love is comittment, its not running away from it.

I hope it will all work out for you

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Drinking issues, alcoholism and ex JW's

by digderidoo in

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i got talking to my mother yesterday about my alcoholism issues and slightly touched upon how my jw past has had a bearing on it.. she was telling me about a lady who cuts my nan's hair who turns out is an ex jw and we know her family.

apparently this lady drinks heavily and every day, at the same time is angry about her jw past and the way she's treated by family even though sh'es not df'ed.. we had a small chat about my alcoholism and that i could relate to this lady.. anyway it got me realising that there are a number here who have similar issues, so i would like to post this link.. http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/.

it's a forum that covers addiction in general, it has helped me loads.

AlexHall

Congratz for realizing you have a drinking problem. And that you have done something to conquer it! 11months and going strong is really good!

Take care, I wish you all the luck!

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Watching the Clock

by The Berean in

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do jws frequently report more time devoted to their ministry than actually spent perhaps for image reasons or to keep other people happy?.

AlexHall

Yes. It´s eaiser and more rewarding to write down several hours done, instead of the 30 min you actually spent ministaring

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Witnessing to a Witness

by cluless in

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if i meet a witness on the street who doesnt know me i approach them with a list of each of the translaters of the new world translation and there lack of knowledge of greek and hebrew.

(i keep this list in my wallett) i then show the witness variouse scriptures that have been changed in their bible to support organisational doctrine.

i reafirm to them that the translating committe in their own bible claim to have translated from the orional greek and hebrew but had no knowledge of greek or hebrew.. i then leave my mobile number and ask them to phone me to prove what i have said is incorrect and then i would be happy to study the bible with them.

AlexHall

Haha, why Im I not supriced. I would be really supriced if they ever called you back. They most probably regard you as a apostate and a bit of a lunatic for your evidence. They will find ways to work their minds around it, most probably by ignoring it.

Sad, but I would think, rather true

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Did Adam & Eve have bellybuttons?

by Colton in

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discuss..

AlexHall

I would agree to that. We all start out looking like girls, and then the hormone testosterone helps transform us into the great men we now are...:)

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Why Do So Many DF'd End In Some Sort Of Trouble?

by african GB Member in

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most ex-jw's df/da that i know end up living a dangerous life.

some get into drugs, prostitution, gangsterism,etc.

as a result they prove the jw theory that says "whoever leaves jehovah's organisation won't make it" right.. it's difficult for me to say this, but it seems like jw's are partly right on this one.. why do most ex-dubs end up in a predicament of some sort?

AlexHall

This is the problem with generalizing people. We are all indivduals with different lives to live. Since we have no evidence for the fact that ex-jw are more "wild and cracy" we can only go to our own experience, which makes us rather bias.

We can only accept that people make misstakes and screw up. At least we now are in control of our own lives, and are free do choose for ourself

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Why Do So Many DF'd End In Some Sort Of Trouble?

by african GB Member in

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most ex-jw's df/da that i know end up living a dangerous life.

some get into drugs, prostitution, gangsterism,etc.

as a result they prove the jw theory that says "whoever leaves jehovah's organisation won't make it" right.. it's difficult for me to say this, but it seems like jw's are partly right on this one.. why do most ex-dubs end up in a predicament of some sort?

AlexHall

I would love to see some evidence to prove that point before admitting to the viewpoint, but lets for the sake of this argument say that you are right and that a mayority of the ex-jw´s get into some kind of trubles when they leave.

I´ve actually seen this kind of behavior with people that were and still are witnesses. They were held so hard by their parents, and as soon as they moved to their own apartments they started to live a life more like "normal" people, and in some extent even worse. It like a holding a spring really tense, when you let go, it springs loose rather violently.

The same principle is prob. accurate with alot of ex-jw´s. All those stupid things we should have done before the age of 25, piles up and we wanna experience life in its fullest as soon as we are free. For some that still are Jw´s but want out can also choose a destructive way, just because they can´t handle the preassure of leaving by their own accord. I know I almost did.

I think that a lot of people that seek religion have a need to belong to something bigger. Something to fill up the hole. Problem is that in some causes we don´t mind what fills the hole, as long as it is full. A lot of bad things happens because we "socialize" with the wrong people... That part, the wittness actually got right...

The psycological abuse of being df and shunned by all those that used to love you can be a hard blow to our minds. To be forced into solitute can make us do stupid things. Having no support, no friends and to be left without guidance leave us wandering a path we no longer have the map for.

Perhaps the witnesses got it right: Those that leave the organisation might get into some problems. The only reason why they are right is beacuse they create the cirumstances for the problem to arise