Posts by AlexHall

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Letter to my brother

by AlexHall in

a couple of weeks ago i sent a letter to my older brother that has shunned since last year.

i never belived that i would get a response, but i did.. i have written all of this in swedish, but im gonna try to translate it as good as i can.

im gonna divide it in three parts.

AlexHall

A couple of weeks ago I sent a letter to my older brother that has shunned since last year. I never belived that I would get a response, but I did.

I have written all of this in swedish, but Im gonna try to translate it as good as I can. Im gonna divide it in three parts. Ill try to delete the parts that are not relevent to the forum

First its my first letter to him

Second its his responce

And the third part is my second respons that I still haven´t got an answer to.

Hello!

I would start to send my regards for the sorrow you´r feeling right now(beacuse some very sad things that had happend to them recently) I really hope everything will work out for you, your worth it.

Im well aware that you perhaps wont read this, probably not answering it, and thats a decision I have to respect. I just wanna show you that even if you have made the decision to shun me, that is not a decision supported from my side. Your my brother, my family and I would love to see that nothing came between that, not even religion.

You probably don´t wanna hear what Im gonna say now, but it´s better that you hear it from me, instead that it comes from my mother or sister. I´v been doing a lot of searhing and been reading a lot of books regarding religion, the Witnesses and a whole lot else and I have come to the conclusion that what I previously belived in is not what I belive now. I can no longer belive or put my faith in the Govering body of Jehovas Witnesses. There are no evidence that supports that the GB is inspired by God or that they would be the only org. that have found Gods holy message to mankind. The light has not brightened. The light has changed, in some cases from a to b, back to a again. I can´t see any work beeing done by the holy spirit. Everything I´v read shows me that the org. of JW´s are controlled by man and that it always been that way. And I can´t put my faith in people that once and again have showed that they don´t have God´s holy spirit guiding them. Even if I would wanna belive otherwise, I have to realise that everything tells me that the witnesses are no better than any other. They are only people trying to to their best with the choices they have. Whether the bible is Gods inspired words or not, is a question I most probably will take unanswered to the grave.

Yes, I know, you are not in liberty to have this discussion with me, as it would deteriorate your relationship with Jehovah and perhaps even stain your purity to him. But If you read the letter you now atleast know where I stand.

Its been and incredible journey this last year and yoy were right with some of the things you last wrote. This journey I hade to do myself, even if the pain the followed is regrettable

My greates wish right now is that we could lay all of this behind us and actually only be a family. Not having you, dad and our sister close pains me every awake moment. To know that you now regard me as an apostate and that I deserve the horricif judgement from God, well it hurts.

With all my love, take care

Part two will soon follow

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my brother said i cant ever meet his baby

by Cordelia in

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i started a thread about my dad finding me on facebook but the truth is my brother was on it ive just got a call from him saying i cant have anything to do with facebook or i can have nothing to do withj him or his baby!!!.

i feel so upset ok i was on ex jw sites on there but even gettin rid of then was not enough he said i have to get rid of facebook forever or i cant see him or my nephew#.

i dont know what to do.... my dad is in the middle and not well and old and so sad at the cofrontationtation i feel bad!!!

AlexHall

Im guessing you are a fullgrown woman that live in your own apartment and have your own life? Your decisions are yours to make. Your brother is trying to control you. He probably belives he´s doing this out of love to you and God.

Tell him that shunning you wont change your ways or they way your are thinking. You have your own relationship with God, that has nothing to do with with your brother.

Tell him you love him, but you have to live your life, not being controlled by his whims.

I know this most be so hard, and the easy way out of this is doing what he wants. But in the long run you haven´t solwed anything. Soon he will find more things that annoy him, and you´ll lose part of who you are everytime you give something up. I don´t really understand why he wants you to delete you fb account, he should be more worried about your connection to the ex-jw groups.

I wonder why he don´t ask you what you belive in and try to teach you the "truth" or atleast open up for a disscution about your belifes. Its like curing a headache with pill that only hides the sympthoms.

I hope everything will work out for you. Take care

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If your family member was in prison due to a corrupt government, would you lie to get them out?

by BonaFide in

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i know weird scenario.

but would you lie to help someone?

for example, would you bribe a guard to let him out?

AlexHall

Well, it is dishonest, but desperate times calles for desperate measueres. In a perfect world my family would listen to the info I had in an nonjudgemental way and then decide what they wanna belive. But I know that this will never happen, instead they shun me and regard everything I say as apostate material.

But I also have to respect their choises. I can´t force them to do anything they don´t wanna do. They have to live their life, no mather what I belive in. Freedom of religion. I have no problem with my family beeing Witnesses if that makes them happy. I only wish that I could change their wievpoint on shunning and accepting me and my freedom of religion.

If i was 100% sure that everything with the witnesses was evil and wrong I would lie to help them get out, but I prefeer if that change can come from me beeing honest and true to my choises

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..Your Worst Injury...

by OUTLAW in

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most of you know,i live in the wilderness..i am my own doctor..i smashed my knee-cap,and it frigg`n hurts..it will heal,but i will suffer till it does.........what was your worst injury and how did you get through it?.............for me it`s rum and pain killers right now..not too much of either,or i won`t be able to survive in the wilderness.............................................outlaw.

AlexHall

I broke my hand once and managed to crush 4 teeth in the process. Slammed into a wall running. Rather stupid, i know, but they told me faith could move mountains, so i thought I would start with the wall. As history taught me, it did´nt work

I been at the hospital two more times for injuries on my face. and still manage to look good

Ignoring the pain, is always good, painkillers if that dont work

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If they can shun......so can I

by KAYTEE in

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let me first say that i believe in god, in jesus and the holy spirit.

therefore to hear the watchtower liken us who have been df, ( in our case asking questions about u.n. paedophiles 607 etc ) liken us to the first apostate the devil i find them judgmental in the extreme, not surprised but very offensive.. thanks to "flipper" with his thread i have decided to ban my brother in law from coming to my home, this year he intends to come over from spain where the need is great, ............the wine.and the beaches very nice too.. he is going to visit his mother who now because of dementia lives with us.. he will not be allowed on my premises at all, he will pick mum up at the front gate.. as a witness you must accept what the so called boffins tell you.. therefore if he can align himself with thinking that way, of his sister and myself then he is not welcome.. i will only accept him in my home when he gets out of her (babylon the great).

kt.

AlexHall

John 13: 34

I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU , that YOU also love one another.

35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.”

It´s easy to fight fire with fire, but the result will most probably not be what you want. We can´t force our family to belive what we have come to belive. They shunn us so that we shall repent and return to the org. If we start shunning them, we loose all our chanses to help them see that there is another side to the coin. My family belive that by shunning me, they are actually helping me see truth. But it´s also the easy way out. To stand firm, daring to speak to them, even when your hurting and still tell them that you love them even when they treat you like dust, thats fighting for your family.

I love my family, even when they drive me insane. Hopefully someday they will see that love is comittment, its not running away from it.

I hope it will all work out for you

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Drinking issues, alcoholism and ex JW's

by digderidoo in

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i got talking to my mother yesterday about my alcoholism issues and slightly touched upon how my jw past has had a bearing on it.. she was telling me about a lady who cuts my nan's hair who turns out is an ex jw and we know her family.

apparently this lady drinks heavily and every day, at the same time is angry about her jw past and the way she's treated by family even though sh'es not df'ed.. we had a small chat about my alcoholism and that i could relate to this lady.. anyway it got me realising that there are a number here who have similar issues, so i would like to post this link.. http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/.

it's a forum that covers addiction in general, it has helped me loads.

AlexHall

Congratz for realizing you have a drinking problem. And that you have done something to conquer it! 11months and going strong is really good!

Take care, I wish you all the luck!

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Watching the Clock

by The Berean in

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do jws frequently report more time devoted to their ministry than actually spent perhaps for image reasons or to keep other people happy?.

AlexHall

Yes. It´s eaiser and more rewarding to write down several hours done, instead of the 30 min you actually spent ministaring

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Witnessing to a Witness

by cluless in

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if i meet a witness on the street who doesnt know me i approach them with a list of each of the translaters of the new world translation and there lack of knowledge of greek and hebrew.

(i keep this list in my wallett) i then show the witness variouse scriptures that have been changed in their bible to support organisational doctrine.

i reafirm to them that the translating committe in their own bible claim to have translated from the orional greek and hebrew but had no knowledge of greek or hebrew.. i then leave my mobile number and ask them to phone me to prove what i have said is incorrect and then i would be happy to study the bible with them.

AlexHall

Haha, why Im I not supriced. I would be really supriced if they ever called you back. They most probably regard you as a apostate and a bit of a lunatic for your evidence. They will find ways to work their minds around it, most probably by ignoring it.

Sad, but I would think, rather true

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Did Adam & Eve have bellybuttons?

by Colton in

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discuss..

AlexHall

I would agree to that. We all start out looking like girls, and then the hormone testosterone helps transform us into the great men we now are...:)

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Why Do So Many DF'd End In Some Sort Of Trouble?

by african GB Member in

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most ex-jw's df/da that i know end up living a dangerous life.

some get into drugs, prostitution, gangsterism,etc.

as a result they prove the jw theory that says "whoever leaves jehovah's organisation won't make it" right.. it's difficult for me to say this, but it seems like jw's are partly right on this one.. why do most ex-dubs end up in a predicament of some sort?

AlexHall

This is the problem with generalizing people. We are all indivduals with different lives to live. Since we have no evidence for the fact that ex-jw are more "wild and cracy" we can only go to our own experience, which makes us rather bias.

We can only accept that people make misstakes and screw up. At least we now are in control of our own lives, and are free do choose for ourself