LMAO - Thankyou for posting this waterspout.
On their home page they have a youtube vid that 'exposes' ministryideaz as apostate because they listen to 'questionable music', and 'use poker games on facebook'.
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The JW's have far to much time on their hands LMAO!
by watersprout inmy sister sent me this link this morning and listed on there are names of ''known'' apostates!
i made the list yey!
so did my nine year old daughter lol!
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What are the titles of the Congregation Elders?
by VM44 inwhat are the titles currently being usined for the congregational elders?.
"presiding overseer" was one title that was used for a long time, but i know that was changed awhile ago.. are they even called "overseers" anymore?.
what was the reason for the change?.
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LOL Captain Schmideo!
In reality
CoBE = Longest time server OR most well connected
Secretary = Either poor bloke who couldnt get out of it or ambitious young star
Service Overseer = The only pioneer on the Elder body OR wife is a pioneer OR in slack congos, the one who is around to take the midweek service arangement...
WT Overseer = Oldest (most experienced) elder if not CoBE, usually the worst time keeper.
TMS Overseer = Booby prize
The service committee is composed of the CoBE, Secretary & Service Overseer. The Service Committe is information central.
Accounts Servant = Usually handled by Mrs Sister Accounts Servant. Unofficially of course!
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Are You Raising An Introvert?
by darth frosty inits not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.
it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.
this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .
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Another introvert here! INTP on myers brigg.
The ministry was hell for me.
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My not-so-grand arrival.
by Trismegistus inthis is mostly a test to see if the forum will allow me to write.
it didn't on a different browser that i was using- here's hoping!.
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A Laurence Stern fan?
Welcome aboard!
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Blondie is awesome!!!
by Sheep2slaughter ini'm just sayin... blondie...are you a lawyer or investigator or what!?
her/your weekly watchtower comments we won't hear at the watchtower indoctrination are amazing.
so much work.
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Said before & I'll say again, when I thought this was a nest of apostate vipers, Blondie's threads were the only ones I'd read, because a commentary on the WT staudy article can't be wrong can it?
She, in no small part, contributed to my waking up!
Thankyou Blondie!
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Governing Body member Garrit Losch speaking today
by sleepercell ingarrit will be delivering the last talk today in huntsville, al for those interested in attending.
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Brother Blinders off, excellent audience contact, good use of no notes and your efforts on working on your gestures are really paying off. Also it is encouraging to see you using repetition for emphasis and you definitly motivated your audience to action.
We look forward to your next talk.
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The Watchtower Society actually WANTS witnesses to take blood.
by Sapphy inshocking?
hear me out.. acts 15v29 "blah blah blah... abstain from blood".
for years the millions of jehovah's witnesses worldwide have been fed stories of "brave witnesses" who "fought to stay true to their convictions" by refusing blood transfusion.
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Shocking? Hear me out.
Acts 15v29 "blah blah blah... Abstain from blood"
For years the millions of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide have been fed stories of "brave witnesses" who "fought to stay true to their convictions" by refusing blood transfusion. These stories, presented to us as good examples of faith, demonstrated how the society wanted their followers to behave in the event of doctors wishing to use blood transfusions as part of medical treatment. Often using graphically violent and excessively emotive language we were given to understand we must fight with all our strength to not 'defy' the Bible's law on blood.
Just using a short excerpt from the 1994 Awake 22nd May: The article "Youths Who Have Power Beyond What is Normal" gives several experiences of young people who resisted blood transfusions, even if is caused or contributed to their death. The section I will quote from is about a 12 year old girl called Lisa. Lisa was suffering from acute myeloid leukemia. The doctors wanted to treat her using blood tranfusions as part of her therapy but had to go to court since she and her parents refused. I have bolded the emotive language. "One of the questions put to her was how the forced midnight transfusion made her feel. She explained that it made her feel like a dog being used for an experiment, that she felt she was being raped, and that being a minor made some people think they could do anything to her. She hated seeing someone else’s blood going into her, wondering if she would get AIDS or hepatitis or some other infectious disease from it. And chiefly, she was concerned about what Jehovah would think of her breaking his law against taking someone else’s blood into her body. She said if it ever happened again, she “would fight and kick the IV pole down and rip out the IV no matter how much it would hurt, and poke holes in the blood.”
Does this sound like a normal well balanced 12 year old who hasn't been 'educated' by an extreme religion? This language about 'rape and ripping out the IV' was standard fayre and often refered to in my JW experience.
However in the year 2000, new light was recieved, and witnesses were now allowed to take blood fractions. Whole blood and the 'four primary components (red cells, white cells, plasma and platelets' were still forbidden, just about anything else was deemed a matter for the individual Christian. This position has, unsurprisingly, proved confusing to JWs. Many Hospital Liaision Committee Elders report recieving phone calls at night from other local elders or patients with conversations starting "are we allowed to accept...?"
Today many JWs, old school and other, opt to 'stay on the safe side' (which is anything but!) and refuse everything blood related.
Parallel to this, here in the UK there has been a few high profile cases where people have died as a direct consequence of refusing whole blood. The 'biggest' case was that of 22 year old Emma Gough who bled to death after giving birth to twins.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/7078455.stm
These cases give the society terrible publicity. Just read the comments under today's article in the national newspaper "The Independent" about a young man who recently weakened and died from sickle cell anaemia.
Randy (Dogpatch) has done some excellent work documenting how HLC elders try to get JWs to accept fractions. He is also looking for anyone disfellowshipped recently due to accepting a blood transfusion. I am unaware of anyone so far.
The current position seems to be, and this is only my opinion, that the society would love to drop the 'no blood' rule, or make it entirely a conscience matter, but is reluctant to do so since this would leave it wide open for more law suits from bereaved relatives! So it is trying to manage the situation by speaking out of both sides of it's mouth. For the general JW population"abstain from blood", for elders "don't DF, just privately reprove", for the HLC "make 'em take everything but whole blood".
The benefits to the society are limited exposure to lawsuits & repentant JWs with a guilty conscience will do anything for the society.
What do you think? Is the society moving towards a 'don't ask, don't tell' position on blood?
TLDR: The society would prefer a live repentant witness beholden to the organisation forever by a guilty conscience than another dead martyr due to continuing adverse publicity.
What do you think?
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A JW Sparlock Apologist!
by Diest ini had posted a few comments on cedars sparlock song on youtube.
mostly that i didnt feel that parents should manipulate their children into behaving.
i also didnt think parents had the right to raise thier children in such a crazy restrictive way.
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"...balanced, informed adults"
Who arent allowed to get a decent education.
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CAN EVERYONE DO ME A FAVOUR?
by Mary ini haven't been on here much lately, but i read barb anderson's report on the court case in california the other day.
nice to see the borg finally getting what they deserve.. anyway, the daily mail has done a story about it and at the end you can give your comments.
i think there are a number of 'faithful witlesses' on there who are giving the "thumbs down" to any negative comments about the borg, including mine.
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Done
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Reduction of Announcements
by wisdomfrombelow instarting the week of september 3rd they will cease having local announcement as part of the service meeting.
is there going to be a much reduction of the letters sent to the congregation?
will everyone be expected to read the bulletin board to know what is going on?
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Sapphy
How will we know whose turn it is to do the cleaning?!