The JW leadership teaches salvation by association. A JW has no individual justification before Heaven through Jesus Christ. They are said to have "relative rightousness" accorded to them by their association with "Christ's Brothers", identified as the Faithful & Discreet Slave Class, or more specifically the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. In their view the Watchtower Organization is analogous to a City of Refuge, an Inner Chamber, or the Ark where one must be found in order to be saved by God. There is a works aspect to this in that a JW must actively support "Christ's Brothers" by preaching door-to-door and they must be in regular association at the Kingdom Hall.
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*Grace* According to JW's. Your thoughts will be appreciated.
by Lily Pie inhi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.
i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.
lutherans say.
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So what music are you listening to?
by BurnTheShips inright now, i am hearing foals' "total life forever".
also been playing these albums a lot lately:.
groove armada's "black light".
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donuthole
I just picked up the new Belle & Sebastian, 'Write About Love'. Loving this song!
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"We're not here to debate or argue"
by sabastious inas a jw i was always taught "never to get into debate or argue with householders.".
you know what is interesting about that?.
the message i had when i went to your door was essentially "hello, what ever your current belief is... is wrong.
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donuthole
"We're just here to encourage Bible reading."
God forgive me for how many times I said that lie.
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Does The Name Really Matter?
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
as you know i have, for many years now, related to you that i hear the voice of the fine shepherd, the holy one of israel and holy spirit, jaheshua mischajah.
over such years i have received many questions and comments, and engaged in various debates regarding the validity of that name.
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donuthole
Yes, for some, it really REALLY does and for THOSE, yes, it matters that they use what they believe to be the right one.
Certainly - I agree with you here.
However the original issue that has been presented in this thread is that only by pronouncing Christ's name as JAHESHUA can one expect to have a hearing from Heaven and even be saved from the broad road of destruction. Even if the phonetics are correct, such a view presents a darkened concept of the Name and what it represents in as much as it limits the power of the Holy One and more importantly the immense love that the Name represents.
To put it plainly Christ is not turning away from you until you say his name in correct, period-perfect, ancient Hebrew nor is your salvation being judged on that basis. Trust in his in love and respond in faith to that. I pray that no one will be mislead otherwise.
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Does The Name Really Matter?
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
as you know i have, for many years now, related to you that i hear the voice of the fine shepherd, the holy one of israel and holy spirit, jaheshua mischajah.
over such years i have received many questions and comments, and engaged in various debates regarding the validity of that name.
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A name is not simply a grouping of sounds it is a person's nature, character, and authority. When Christ was on earth many individuals shared his very common name yet his Name alone was elevated above all others. As an english speaking American from the Midwest I have known him as Jesus and he calls me by name. I have personally witnessed unclean spirits submit to the authority of the Name of Jesus. His Name is powerful, again not the specific arrangement of sounds as if this was some magic word but as an appeal to authority of the one behind name who has been given authority over all in heaven and earth. Knowing the correct pronunciation of the name is not some secret password to get through the door to the path of life. What is important is knowing the person, his nature, character, and authority.
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The back cover of the next novel (directly JW related) will say something like this.
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@JeffT - have you ever participated in National Novel Writing Month? It is coming up in November. The goal is to churn out a 50k word first-draft. It is a little step up from 500 words a day. Check it out at nanowrimo.org.
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Does The Name Really Matter?
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
as you know i have, for many years now, related to you that i hear the voice of the fine shepherd, the holy one of israel and holy spirit, jaheshua mischajah.
over such years i have received many questions and comments, and engaged in various debates regarding the validity of that name.
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Treatment of Dfed children
by isaacaustin inspiritual upbuilding..... have you entered into gods rest?
(heb 4:10, 11) all were encouraged to cease dead works (heb 6:1).
self-evaluation: ...ask yourself how you would react to counsel regarding personal lifestyle?
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donuthole
Parents are encouraged to give a little but to leave the DFd child desiring for more while promoting their actions as motivate by their love for Jah. The end result is hope that the DFd child in wanting full access to the abundant love of his parents willl also begin to see his losses in not having a relationship with Jehovah and seek reinstatement.
This is a softening of the previous stance in my opinion. When it says "give a little" it is different than the written rules that pretty much don't allow parents to give their children the time of day. Also when it says the child will want "full access to the abundant love of his parents" it implies that they will be allowed to show some degree of love to their DF'd children which again is opposite to the rather cold businesslike stance they are required to take at present.
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December 2010 Awake Homosexuality
by bottleofwater inanyone have a good read of the ypa article on homosexuality?.
is it just me or is the doctrine becoming more lenient and less dogmatic?.
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donuthole
I recall that the aging Reasoning Book did not dismiss the possibility that homosexuality could be a birth orientation. I believe the comparison was made to children that were born predisposed toward alcoholism.
I remember that the literature in the past couple of decades was more delicate toward practicers of homosexuality which conflicted with scathing and mocking statements that were occasionally made from the platform regardings those that practiced homosexuality.
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I need some help with a plot point for the next novel
by JeffT inmy first effort "armageddon's disciples" is being considered by a publisher, i'll let you know if anything happens.. in the meantime i'm noodling around with what to do next.. i have an idea, but i'm curious if you guys think one of my plot points is realistic.
the antagonist is going to be a guy moving through jw circles, moving from congo to congo every two or three years.
not an elder, mabye an ms, turns in his 10-15 hours consistently, never causes trouble, not married, maybe a little odd as he's kind of a loner.. the plot point is that he's pretty much a cipher, no one pays much attention to him.
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donuthole
Could he have work that requires him to move from area to area?
Could he be moving to help out where the need is great? As a pioneer? As an MS in foreign language cong short on brothers?
Is he distressed about events at his current congregation and has a "grass is greener" mentality as he moves from cong to cong? (This usually is quite workable in JW-land where the new elders will readily accept that all the other halls have issues and believe they are the mecca for the opressed.)