Posts by allelsefails

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Do we have any rights to see corespondance from the branch?

by allelsefails in

i have a friend who is an elder from out of town and he told me i do have the right to see any letters the branch has sent to the congregation about my case.

i always thought they tied that stuff up tight and nobody could see it.

is he right or just deluding himself that this might be a fair and upfront system?.

allelsefails

Thanks for the responses. It didn't sound right to me, but I thought I would ask. When I was an elder I would say and do things that were "right" instead of WT policy. Probably what he was doing. I am probably facing DFing in the next 2 weeks because the BOE got a letter from the Branch pressuring them to do something about me. I have had 2 brothers "slip" and let me know that, but then backtrack a little to cover their A**.

I know the "truth" about the "truth", but I don't stop my wife from going to meetings or try to work against them in any way. For me I could not give a crap what they think of me or if they want me disfellowshipped. However I have 2 step-sons whom I love as much as my own blood who are MS. They come to my house every weekend we watch football, play board games, drink, etc.. They are the best people I know and my best friends other than my wife ... but I know they will comply with the shunning when they are ordered to. No one to blame but myself for that one, since I taught them that was right. Even tho I was misled I should have realized long ago the "truth" about the "truth". I am looking for ways to delay the decision or change the mind of the BOE. .... let me fade instead.

If things go down the way I think they will I'll post all the recordings of my meetings with the elders.

allelsefails

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Will you sink or swim with Jehovah's Organization? June 15, 2010 study article

by truthseeker in

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friends

hence, many people feel.

of the psalmist?

there they will feel.

allelsefails

"Spiritually speaking, many
churchgoers have been left bewildered and
disoriented, questioning the value of the
guidance that they have received. That is especially
so in the light of the questionable
conduct and unscriptural teachings of their
religious leaders."

Interesting that this does not apply to them. Anyone who feels "bewildered and disoriented, questioning the value of the guidance they have received" from the GB is immediately sent to a Judicial Committee. God forbid you actually bring up the "unscriptural teachings of their religious leaders". Instant apostate! Therefore everyone "IN" the ORG is happy and content and submissive. Ridiculous circular reasoning, but nothing new for JWs. (The FDS was selected in 1918, and we know that because the FDS/GB tells us so.)

Allelsefails (when allelsefails try something that makes sense.)

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my letter to the elders and governing body

by leftchica in

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to the elders of the maitland congregation and governing body of the watchtower tract.

and bible society,.

allelsefails

Congrats on the freedom. If you want your letter to be read send it to each elder individually. Otherwise the PO will read it and tell everyone else that you wrote your D/A letter and they'll all be relieved to be rid of you. If you send it to there home there is a good chance it will get read and respected by some.

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Do we have any rights to see corespondance from the branch?

by allelsefails in

i have a friend who is an elder from out of town and he told me i do have the right to see any letters the branch has sent to the congregation about my case.

i always thought they tied that stuff up tight and nobody could see it.

is he right or just deluding himself that this might be a fair and upfront system?.

allelsefails

I have a friend who is an elder from out of town and he told me I do have the right to see any letters the branch has sent to the congregation about my case. I always thought they tied that stuff up tight and nobody could see it. Is he right or just deluding himself that this might be a fair and upfront system?

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How did you survive?

by highdose in

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friends

i've been asking myself recently, how did i survive growing up in a cult that activly works to destory your condifence, soul and personality.. i think it was only because deep down somewhere i knew it was wrong.

how about you?.

allelsefails

I had a "worldly" father who always gave me the blance needed. Even tho I went along with my mother (JW) I never forgot the basics my father taught me. He believed in questioning everything, trusting your own "perseptive powers". That no "man" is your teacher. Now I live with that reality instead of hiding behind the FDS.

allelsefails

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Memorial: Where's the Proof?

by cameo-d in

the jws are correct in their opposition concerning the xmas holiday and that there is evidence both scriptural and ancedotal that jesus was not born in the dead of winter on dec. 25.. but what i don't get is why do they go along with a crucifixion memorial which coincides with the time of moses passover?

is there any real proof that jesus was crucified at this particular time period?.

yeah, i know about the legend that passover was "foreshadowing" the ultimate sacrifice of the lamb.....but this is contrived information.. where is the proof that jesus was crucified at passover?

allelsefails

I also think it is funny that you say JWs are correct about Xmas. They quote the Catholic encyclopedia to disprove Xmas as the date of Jesus birth because Catholics have always known it was an adopted date and has nothing to do with Jesus "birthday". It is just the date they picked, and that is OK with them.

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Memorial: Where's the Proof?

by cameo-d in

the jws are correct in their opposition concerning the xmas holiday and that there is evidence both scriptural and ancedotal that jesus was not born in the dead of winter on dec. 25.. but what i don't get is why do they go along with a crucifixion memorial which coincides with the time of moses passover?

is there any real proof that jesus was crucified at this particular time period?.

yeah, i know about the legend that passover was "foreshadowing" the ultimate sacrifice of the lamb.....but this is contrived information.. where is the proof that jesus was crucified at passover?

allelsefails

I thought this was interesting. John's Gospel clearly shows that Jesus was killed the day BEFORE the passover, not on passover. This seems to contradict the synoptic gospels. The whole idea of Jesus' ministry being 3-1/2 years is based on the number of passovers mentioned in the Gospels - which never claim to be a complete record of his time on Earth. Jesus may have been much older when he died than most think (It was said this man is not even 50 - how can he teach us? by the Pharisees). He may have preached for 6-10 years or God only knows. There are no reliable dates in the scriptures. Even his birth year is contradicted between Matt. and Luke. Good question - lots of research out there.

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Are elders Qualified counsellors i.e Degree/diploma

by ry.hans in

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friends

allelsefails

Right on all counts. As an Elder for 6 years I assure you they have NO training to deal with ANYTHING - Spiritual, Mental, or Emotional. Some try really hard and really care for the people the try to help, but NONE have any idea how to help someone with real problems. Allelsefails

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Need help disproving 607BCE

by 2pink in

i hope i am posting in the right board.. anyway, i am newly out of the org, and have a dear friend who i've been speaking to all along about my thought process/decisions.

she has been hesitantly receptive (how's that for confusing?!

lol) and when i brought up 607bce to her yesterday, she was truly intrigued and had not heard of this as a false date before.. she is still half in/half out, so i know she isn't going to do a lot of naughty independent research on her own.

allelsefails

For me the arguement is simple. The WTS says open the Encyclopedia to find out about Christmas, Easter, etc... So open any Encyclopedia to find out about this date NONE will say 607 ALL I have found say 586/587. That is what started every bit of questioning for me. Allelsefails

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The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?

by Doug Mason in

1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.

(ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .

2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?

allelsefails

It is a bunch of crap. They don't apply any meaning to the rebuilding of the Altar - only Destruction of Jerusalem to return of exiles = 70 years.