Posts by allelsefails

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Do you think your baptism is still valid?

by karter in

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i got baptised about 25 years ago and was told the new system would be here by now.. along with a lot of other false promises.. so the answer for me would be no!!

!.

allelsefails

I have a niece who got married at the age of 16. My sister had to sign off on it because everyone realizes that a 16 year old can't make a decision like that on there own. I heard no end of how awful it was that she got married so young and didn't know what she was doing and it would turn out badly.

I have since told everyone who I trust that baptism as a teenager (or earlier) is EXACTLY the same as marriage. Making a lifelong committment at the age of 15 (like me) or earlier is ridiculous. Any who would criticize the idea of a 16 year old getting married, but accept a 16 year old getting baptized is a hypocrite in my book.

That being said, I feel my baptism @ 15 is a contract with a minor. No legal entity in our country would uphold suchn a contract. Therefore I don't feel it has any validity.

Allelesefails

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-15-10 WT Study (ANGER)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 08-15-10 wt study (june 15, 2010, pages 15-19)(anger).

review comments will be in red or headed by comments.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

allelsefails

Paragraph 12 was interesting - let's say the elder who propositioned my wife (not his first) - that was just imperfection - he didn't need to be removed. He had earlier written porn and sent to someone else's wife, but every other religion is bad bad bad. We have the truth it is obvious by our fruitage.

Thanks Blondie for your comments.

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Introducing myself

by Jeremy430 in

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i'm mostly here to meet new like minded friends.

growing up in the religion has jaded my perspective.

most of my believes the wts is bs, but there is that part in the back of my mind that fears they have the truth.

allelsefails

Welcome! Hopefully you will see that truth does live along with the lie.

I am still "in" for family and I don't think living the life is a bad way (no adultery, no stealing, no lynig, etc....) I don't believe they have anything special.

It is what it is.

Allelsefails (when allelse fails try something that makes sense)

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2010 Drama - No Generation

by allelsefails in

after sitting thru the drama this year i was struck with a thought.. there was a scene where a "brother" said they knew the end would come, but did not think it would be in their lifetime.

at no point did someone say "but jesus said this generation would see the end" why?

because "this generation" now means 2 generations that overlap - as explained to us in the last talk of the day.

allelsefails

After sitting thru the Drama this year I was struck with a thought.

There was a scene where a "brother" said they knew the end would come, but did not think it would be in their lifetime. At no point did someone say "But Jesus said this generation would see the end" Why? Because "this generation" now means 2 generations that overlap - as explained to us in the last talk of the day. I have been a JW my whole life and never been more embarrassed by the nonsense.

I saw an earlier entry about the fleeing to Pella. Has anyone done the research on this? Jesus said to the mountains, but they went to a city in the valley instead - doesn't sound very faithful to me. I was to understand that the "Jewish" congregation moved from Jerusalem to Antioch after 70. Not Pella. I thought Jesus brother Judas took over leadership there, but I'd like to know if there is any research on where the Jerusalem church moved to after Jerusalem's destruction.

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Disfellowshipped.... a question

by liz_south in

so... if there's anyone from bethel or an elder who could comment on this question i would appreciate it.

i am beyond understanding this..... my sister's daughter - (my neice - not a jw) is getting married to a young man (not a jw) in a few weeks.. her dad is df'd - so is our brother.. apparently my other sister and her "elder" husband can attend the wedding if the bride's df'd father is in attendance but not if her df'd uncle (our brother) is there.. please.... i just don't get it!!!!

there's df'd and then more df'd????

allelsefails

Liz - There is absolutely a "more" disfellowshipped. If someone is disfellowshipped for smoking, lying, stealing, adultery, or fornication - that person has a weakness that seperates them from God.

If someone is Disfellowshipped for "apostasy" (AKA - not thinking this org is absolute truth) then that person is incredibly dangerous. My daughter and son-in-law would be in the same room with me when they found out I was not going to meetings. I wasn't even disfellowshipped or anything, but I was dangerous. But another family member who had committed adultery was welcome to stay in there home because she was going to meetings.

Trying to understand the brainwashed will drive you crazy - trust me.

allelsefails - (when allelsefails try something that makes since)

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3 Things You Should Know About Islam

by onemore in

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....watch the video, what if we were to substitute the word islam (in the video) for watchtowerism.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcbptzalqfy.

allelsefails

For me the difference between Islam and Christianity comes down to the New Testament and Quoran. The Christian instruction in the Bible never allows for religious warfare or violence. And as much as Paul might have been repressive of women ("staying silent in the congregation") he never felt someone should be beaten or killed for their indiscretions. At most he suggested the "disfellowshipping" of a sexual deviant who would not correct his actions.

"Christians" have, on the other hand, used their faith to justify all types of horrible behavior - from slavery to crusades, but their HOLY book does not condone or suggest it. Jihad and violence ARE a part of the Quoran. Remember the later more violent Quoran is considered authoritative not the earlier peaceful commentary.

Most Muslims in western nations are probably pleasent, kind, loving people (that is why they left their oppressive, evil countries where MOST of their 1.2 billion brothers reside.)

Religion of all types have led to horrible results, but at least Christians are embarrassed by their violent history NOT proud of it.

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I just put a bullet in the head of....

by AK - Jeff in

....my final jw relationship.. i did it.

i killed the relationship.. my cousin rick and i had been inseparable as jw's.

rick is five years my junior, and in many ways i tried to look out for him like a little brother when we were younger.. i have wrestled with an on again/ off again attempt to stay in touch with rick since i left jw's.

allelsefails

Thanks for posting this. It is good insight for others going thru similar "loving dicipline" {puke}. Good thoughts and love to you brother.

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PRAYERS NEEDED!!

by WuzLovesDubs in

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my mom just called and said my brother in law was found unconscious out in california.

he was on a business trip and was jogging which he does religiously every day.

the only id he had on him was his hotal key so they tracked him down.

allelsefails

I wish I could give you more than prayers and good thoughts, but you have those. Loss is a part of life but one we never get used to. Hugs from Texas.

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Who owns the Kingdom Halls?

by dissed in

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i only ask this because when in, our kh was on leased tribal land and the local jw's could never really get title.

in fact it was difficult to secure a loan from the wts, so we got one privately because of that.

they didn't like the part in the tribes contract that said they could take the building if we didn't fullfill our charter with them and it had to be listed with some local native americans of that tribe and not the elders.

allelsefails

Here in Texas there was a congregation in Bonham a couple of decades ago. They went "apostate" and kept the Kingdom Hall. The WTS tried to prove that they were a hierarchal organization like the Catholic church to take it from them, but the courts sided with the elders who were the trustees. The court had no choice because the WTS had spent decades proving they were not a hierarchal organization (to protect themselves from lawsuits).

The WTS now has a new way of hooking in ownership of the halls. They "strongly recommend" we don't ever pay off our loan. I was an elder at a hall where we were close to paying off our loan from the WTS. They sent us a letter explaining how we could help a new cong. forming in our area by taking out a loan against our property and donating it to the new cong. our payment wouldn't go up, but we would NEVER pay off our loan. It is the trick to make sure what happened in Bonham never happens again. If you go "apostate" with a WTS loan on the property they can immediately foreclose on you if you can't payoff the balance.

Hypocrisy - Not to mention what they did to the brothers in Spain with the branch property.

Allelsefails

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Was You a Bethelite, Elder,CO, DO, GB, Publisher, Missionary,Ministerial Servant or Pioneer class?????

by Scott77 in

when still in the watchtower, i used to be an assistant ministerial servant.

true, there is no such title but its there unofficially for those one step to being a ministerial servant.

been with it for about three years.

allelsefails

I was a MS for 3 years an Elder for 6. Looking at an encyclopedia that stated Jerusalems destruction was 586 not 607 started my journey. Im not OUT because of my sons. The emotional blackmail is too much to bear.