Someone locally that apparently was in the air force here, did a calculation and said if the kid was in there, it would be impossible to reach some of the heights it did.
I hope thats true, or at least it may help figure out when or if the kid dropped. I'm one of those people that likes resolution either way.
I saw the discovery live on the web through a feed. It was so sad to see everyone gather around and then seem panicked then seemingly silent [I had no audio].
I hope there's been some kind of mistake and he was pretending to scare his brother and is hiding somewhere.
God CHOSE to allow all of it to happen [satan misleading adam and eve included] in the first place. That point in itself should make one wonder.
For the sake of commentary, if Adam and Eve knew the implications of their actions [suffering, torture, death, disease] or even had a touch of the experience, I think they would not have done what they did. God is apparently all knowing, therefore he knew better [all knowing implies knowing the potential suffering] and chose to make that the punishment.
As for child abuse which is the topic. In WTS I don't think I'd say Jehovah is allowing it so much as it is being swept under the rug to make god maintain his "perfect" image.
when a witness checks this site out, they could think it's a jehovah's witness friendly site.
the fact is this site is for anyone interested in jehovah's witness things, whether they are still witnesses or once were or just want to know about witness life.. what positive ways can we help a witness on this site?.
I don't know. This answer hurts me because it is something I have grown to chuckle at/ love.... but the substitute words for wts such as Botchower Babble and crap society, and Kingdumbhell [I like that one] are part of what kept me from being here the first time, and it may be keeping others away. I felt it was a very negative environment [when I was a witness and visited the rare as in maybe twice occasion]. I was also a VERY VERY different person.
Now that I understand what is actually being held in by the substitute words, I appreciate them for what they are, and sometimes use them myself.
I'm not saying we should stop, I'm just saying it triggers those knee jerk reaction reflexes in those prone to them. I'm beyond that now because I have understanding. I think someone that does react to it initially here will be okay eventually too, unless they have a personal policy of having utmost respect and towards most if not all religion.
Also, The research here would be great for anyone that isn't afraid of a little potential "discovery" that they may not be able to comply with while holding hands with the WTS, I didn't realise this because of my initial knee jerk. Well *sigh* I set myself back there! lol
I hope be it people stay in or want out they come away from here with something. If one is truly spiritually stable and mature, places like this are not dangerous or a threat at all. One just needs to remember that we all have different experience with WTS, good or bad. Now lets learn everything we can about them so we understand why we do/did what they say/said.
Edit: I am trying to speak english, edited to make sense.. I think I need to get off work now lol.
i've noticed a trend lately which is becoming annoying and is definitely something we want to address and put a stop to.. we'll see topics or get pms about some 'evil poster' that is making abusive posts or harrassing someone, driving people from the forum, yada yada and so we look ... and find nothing.
we ask for examples of their behavior where they have harrassed people and it goes rather quiet.
in fact, we find just the opposite - people being respectful and in return getting abusive posts directed towards them.. and why the hostility?.
You could'nt count time preaching here, you don't know who is active and who isn't for sure...as some may say otherwise to hide their true identity.
If anyone is they'd better turn in some negative hours. How would that look on the congregation seceretary's report?
the way i understood the teaching of bloodguilt was that if i stumbled someone and they sinned because of it i was bloodguilty.. can anyone elaborate on that or have some wt quotes to explain it?.
Wasn't it in 2005 (maybe 04) we had that huge section in our convention about how bad it was to stumble someone? I remember a particularly uhh complaint filled sister that visisted my grandmother on a weekly basis ran into the house saying something HUGE that would make everything better was going to be announced at the convention. This woman then proceded to say everyone was stumbling her. They next week we had some discussions on "not being stumbled easily". No kidding.
Also AE. When I was a teen they had to have a part on not forcing your wife to give you the marraige due if she was sickly or was not in the mood for good reason [my dad had to give it and he DID NOT want to because he couldn't beleive someone would...I think my mom helped him write it]. That in itself indicates that some brothers were using it to force themselves on their wives. I know a few that did, it does happen in other faiths, but I am pointing out, sadly, witnesses aren't immune to it, and when you are raised to worship jehovah by being obedient to your husband...It becomes a sadder thought to what may have a happened to many women that we just can't and don't know about. That5 part make sthe blood guilty part sad for me.
Yeah it may not be like that openly anymore, but some people still act that way, and it doesn't discount that it happened to some women. Evne one is bad.
it has come to my attention that a much-beloved poster on this forum has been hurt by the insensitivity shown toward her account of how badly she was treated by the wt.. i realize this is a place where are all welcome, and barring any posting guidelines violations, we are free to air our views without fear of any backlash.. however, please keep in mind that most posters here - yours truly being one of them - view the wt in a negative light.
with all the evidence out there pertaining to its deceitfulness, how can anyone view it otherwise?.
i reached out to you, angel eyes, because i sense that you need a friend.
Maybe a different point of view, although I do say I feel sad for apoligists, when you fail to show basic compassion or call someone elses experience false (in a religion that has proven to have MANY variables from cong to cong) you should re assess your way of "dealing" with people you disagree with.
I used to be an apoligist to my well educated associates in highschool and beyond. Being an apoligist in my case and some of who I know comes from hurt and frustration. I HAD to stay in the org to be with my family, I didn't believe in god, but somehow I had to rationalise it....even if I did end up using well...its the closest thing to the right religion, forgetting that I myself didn't believe in god.
The whole time you are in the org you get positive re enforcement and are told how right, goods and perfect the organisation is. You're basically getting uhh ...your back rubbed the whole time and yeah you will think very odd things that don't make sense because of all the "GOOD" signals going to your head. I am the sort that avoids lying if at all possible (its pointless and causes more trouble) and I would half lie sometimes or exaggerate to prove my point to opposers...I think Ive seen that on this board too with some "apologists"
It takes time for many of them it took me almost 6 years to come around. It took me a year and a half to two years being out to realise "Holy cow, I have been conditioned". I don't necessarily feel it was intentional at the level it was administered to me, but it sure ruins me as an adult sometimes. I get nervous when my more strict JW relatives are around.
For the sake of being helpful I don't ever doubt any stories here, although some exaggerated things that are obvious I take with a grain of salt. If someone wants to lie [not accusing anyone!], go ahead, but remember, you will still be treated as if you were hurt that way because even if your lying butt can't take comfort from it, someone too afraid to express that pain that they may have will. And thats part of why I'm here anyway.
What changed me?
I never got in trouble for anything. I was never kicked out. It took me not being around for 2 years to have people wonder "can I talk to her?" (you can read it on their faces). I simply said I cannot believe it anymore [I will make a thread soon Im kind of in an odd phase at the moment]. If you sit down in one sitting and put it all together and it sadly does not make any sense. I could get a few witnesses to doubt with some of the discussions I have, but that is not my goal. People do not learn truly until they realise things for themselves, and sometimes that is a painful lesson.
When I was across from someone who agreed to be unbiased and ask me logic based questions on biblical teaching it blew me away. When I had someone who I respected and respected me go through it. It was more clear it was not the truth. Even if I did believe in god, I would not think they are the truth. Its too far from Russells "search for the truth".. The other thing is you have to miss about 2 weeks of meetings to have an open enough mind. That positive re enfiorcement is a tough cookie to crumble. Must build up in the blood like THC.
(sorry for the length, still waking up, can't condense thought)
i currently work for the writing committee of the gb and have been asked to write an update to questions young people ask funnily called questions young people really ask.. .
could you give me some questions to start exploring?.
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Why does my friends congregation have more liberal (or different) rules?
Seriously. While my hall had it's good and bad points, my previous associates, and some of you have scary stories that would have had me out before I got in.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33178609/ns/us_news-faith/.
this was interesting and may just possibly affect mother watchtower.. ada.
I can see the WTS loopholing it by saying that we aren't really ordained ministers (I recall someone pointing out that only Russell and Rutherford were), and therefore, are not clergy.
Nobody would dare try to make all churches turn over member lists....at least I don't think that would be something anyone would want to scrap with.
i live in a very big city, there are so many stores offering winter jackets, so i would need your suggestions where to look for, thanks!.
I'd say North Face is one of THE best brands.... Which oddly enough was the second answer (possibly helping the case of goodness?). Even though you don't seem to like John he is right about his brands.
This is a very uhhhh "reactionary" thread.
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Also nobody can tell you what to do unless you let us know how cold it is, if its formal or work, the type of fabric, cut etc.
Unless "winter Jacket" means something else heh heh
