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i am curious.
were (are) there certains ones in the congregation that elders do not offer counsel to because of family ties, connections, or that the families or characters within that family are outspoken?.
Elders are fair and just at all times ... then one of their "little darlings" needs counsel and watch the panties pucker up into a bunch!
I have known elders be very resolute in dealing with "big shot elders" and their lids and I have known elders be incredibly weak and cowardly. It's very political and depends on the mood in your elder body in your congo at the time.
since about valentines day ive been visiting a particular message forum thats much like any other internet babble-board except that the women are a little creepier.
theres this one chick who, i noticed right away, is kind of clever with the one-liners and such, and when i first noticed how many of her posts were replies to my own, i chalked this up to her being just one of those innocently gregarious types who responds to pretty much everyone in topic.. .
in the six or seven months since, however, ive noticed that this isnt really true.
Caught me there! Very good!
(note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.
you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.
there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).
Further to what cattails said - I agree.
They will be on to the nameless drone in the service dept. for "guidance" who may decide that you have shown lying as in "brazen" loose conduct in recording it - this is the new catch-all phrase that Brooklyn uses to justify a d/f when they feel like it.
Your ace in the hole is that you have a recording and the local boys won't want to be all over the net with their judicial process.
A close call that could go either way. Outside chance they'll do a deal - as in you let one of their techhy savvy boys delete the recording (tho' they cannot be sure you've not spread it already ) and then they will view you as repentant. Nah! Perhaps not.
I reckon they will d/f because Brooklyn doesn't mind letting it's elders hang out to dry unless of course there was something damning against Brooklyn itself on the recording.
All in all, on balance I think you will be d/f'd.
there have been a number of posts made about the watchtower society closing or downsizing branch offices and i think the hard consequences of this desperate move have not been fully appreciated.. ok, so you have c.o.
's all over the place and who do they report to exactly?
i believe various brothers (and lawyers) have pointed out the danger of having a catholic style chain of command and centralized leadership.
I'd love the org. to go tits up - but I don't think it will.
i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
England - somewhere in the South
i reckon that the sentence at the start of paragraph two of the letter to elders that says "in view of the good results and for other practical reasons, it is now felt that the pioneer assist others program has accomplished its purpose.
" (italics mine) is legal cya because if a pioneer goofs up and injures (while driving?
) or molests an assistee then there is a direct link to the wts because a pioneer is society appointed.. follow the dollars ....
I reckon that the sentence at the start of paragraph two of the letter to elders that says "In view of the good results and for other practical reasons, it is now felt that the Pioneer Assist Others program has accomplished its purpose." (Italics mine) is Legal CYA because if a pioneer goofs up and injures (while driving?) or molests an assistee then there is a direct link to the WTS because a pioneer is society appointed.
Follow the dollars ...
a predatory jw paedophile micheal porter (uk) who has a 15 year record of abuse including the rape of his own baby but somehow evaded jail now is a member of my old congregation;wimbledon.
words fail me, to think of the years of shunning that these idiots have heaped upon me even by my own family and this piece of shit was seen a this years memorial laughing and joking with the congregation.
strange that this news story slipped passed me when it was broadcast by the british media in 2007..
Thanks Podo - but you cover very little - this cannot have a retrial - it has already gone to the appeal court and Porter was jailed. You cannot have a retrial of an appeal at this level of crime. I am amazed you do not know this. Why are you asserting differently and what is your medical connection to witnesses?
And it was Portishead and Clevedon primarily (not Burnham on Sea which isn't a catchment town for Bristol), that have been affected - and Tina Hughes (Porter's sister) has been interviewed on the TV and it was on National TV and radio too.
As far as the secular authorities are concerned it's over. The charity commisson have investigated and advised.
Porter's landing in Wimbledon is for any concerned citizen to highlight but of no interest to the courts unless he further offends or breaks his being on the sex offenders' register rules.
a predatory jw paedophile micheal porter (uk) who has a 15 year record of abuse including the rape of his own baby but somehow evaded jail now is a member of my old congregation;wimbledon.
words fail me, to think of the years of shunning that these idiots have heaped upon me even by my own family and this piece of shit was seen a this years memorial laughing and joking with the congregation.
strange that this news story slipped passed me when it was broadcast by the british media in 2007..
Podo - you claim to know all about this case and yet you persist in saying we need to await the outcome of the second trial. You say the case was tried not half a mile from where you live - which case? The original Magistrates one, the Crown Court one or the Appeal?
There was a second trial - I'm staggered you don't know about it and it raises huge question marks about your credentials in my mind - Porter was sentenced to 18 months and was out after 9 as is the norm in the UK when you "behave" behind bars.
Why do you suggest approaching Avon and Somerset Police? What are they going to do in London over a 100 miles away?
Something doesn't seem right Podo - you seem to suggest you have some medical input with the victims? Yet you left "the Truth" in 1982? And your father is a Bristol elder since 1972?
Please convince me.
what is the shortest timeframe you've seen for one to go from ministerial servant to an elder if he:.
is on good terms with all elders and the circuit overseer.gives the co a green handout to help out with his expenses on each visit.has the co over for a meal each visit.has phone number and email of co and communicates at least every other month - just to chat about how things are going, good service experiences, etc.
(as any other friend would.
I knew a guy recently who resigned for "health" reasons about 5 years ago, stayed "off" for three years and was made MS at one visit and made elder again the next
just wondering if it lives up to its jw hype.
i remember direct consel from the platform about this, has anyone since seen it?.
I watched it when I was an elder and still watch it now. As EoM says - just fun fantasy!
