in case any collectors don't have these yet:.
correspondence 1977-1980 between carl olof jonsson and the watchtower society.
http://kristenfrihet.se/english/corr.htm.
Of course, every year that has gone by since this correspondence just widens the gap between reality and the "607BCE/1914/generation living in 1914 will see the end" false prophecy by the Watchtower.
In 1977/1980 time hadn't run out for Watchtower's (then latest) false prophecy. Of course it took a knock in 1975 but now over 40 years on it is simply ludicrous and is now only carried upon the creaking column of overlapping F.W.F as ex-Splaned on TV by jwdotborg.
i started studying with witnesses about 21 months ago.
started going to meetings in march 2017, went to the memorial and attended my first convention.
i love it.
It was a cold stormy night and the Captain was asleep in his bunk. A knock comes at the door. "Sir, sir! There's a vessel in our shipping lane 20 miles out and it won't move!"
"TELL IT TO MOVE!"
"We have! It won't, Sir!"
"I'LL TELL IT TO MOVE!"
"UNIDENTIFIED VESSEL, THIS IS CAPTAIN HORATIO HORNBLOWER THE 23RD! YOU ARE IN OUR LANE, MOVE 20 DEGREES STARBOARD, IMMEDIATELY!
reply: "This is Able Seaman Jonah Jones; you must move Sir!""
"WHAT??? DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? THIS IS "BB-63" - THE MIGHTY MISSOURI, FLAGSHIP OF THE 7TH FLEET; I HAVE 9 X 16" GUNS AND I CAN BLOW YOU OUT OF THE WATER! NOW MOVE 20 DEGREES STARBOARD SAILOR!"
reply: "This is the lighthouse, Sir ..."
(with acknowledgement to the late great Steven Covey)
Be a lighthouse.
for a organization that "doesn't ask for money" they sure do ask a lot.. i've been noticing that over the last few months "disaster relief" has been brought up in almost everything jw.
wt, congregation study, broadcast, special updated video, etc.... & i've noticed two things every time it gets brought up, which is a lot lately.. they talk about giving physically and how much money will be needed for the disaster relief work.
that we should be generous.
If you want an interesting read in the UK type
IBSA charity commission accounts
or
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain charity commission accounts
... into Google and look at Britain Branch financials in all their glory.
Maybe some tech savvy person can link?
lett announce to his braindead indoctrinated rank and file masses the wt corporation is short on funds and so they have money problems.
he made light of his role and the rest of management's predicament by saying on a public broadcast: "in doing the math we found that the amount of money flowing out will be much greater than the amount of money coming in at this time".
clearly the guys on the gb have very little business sense to let things get so out of hand with tons of projects in the works and having to close all of them except for warwick, and one in england.. i have to wonder just what type of math these dead heads on the gb even know or consider when making all their plans for the future of the corporation they have leadership over.
Had a letter read out on Tuesday ... (on here, thanks to wifibandit)
"Go to Chelmsford! (New London HQ) Go to Bittacy Hill! (Old London HQ) Last chance to see the mighty printing press in London HQ before shutdown. Rollup Rollup Rollup!"
Straight afterwards 4 dopey braindead sisters are organising a car party to go and visit 200 miles away.
There's no hope!
i'm just curious to get people's views on this.. the bible students seem to start of as quite a liberal group under charles taze russell, albeit he had some whacky teachings going on.
obviously things began to change under rutherford.
but what decade did it become abundantly clear that the society was indeed high control religion or even labeled a cult?.
In more recent times I would say the 1980's.
I grew up and was baptised in the 70's and looking back on how things changed "no-zombie" has hit the nail on the head.
Had things gone Ray Franz's way I believe that the jw's would have morphed into a bit more of a mainstream religion with whacky beliefs.
Sadly it went his uncle's (and Jaracz's) way so we got rigid DF'ing (even non baptised "approved associates" were treated as DF'd in the 80's).
Now we have the mess we are seeing today.
in 2013 the revised nwt came out and changed the old edition's "fornication" and its related words "fornicating," "fornicator" etc.
in all their roughly 70 occurrences.
has the word completely dropped from usage in the witness world?
Because in jw land "Porneia" encompasses ...
Handjobs/Blowjobs/Cunnilingus/Breastjobs/Anal/Vaginal sex
Any other penetrative sex that my sheltered mind cannot think of...
Oh ... and shagging the family dog or sheep ...
can anyone remember this?.
in a mid-80s i seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.. inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587bce was the fall of jerusalem.
but history has shown it was 1914'.. does this ring any bells?.
WT 1st Nov 1986
Pasted from WT CD-ROM 2014; Bold Print added by Freddo
*** w86 11/1 p. 6 A Dream Reveals How Late It Is ***
[Box on page 6]
When Did the “Seven Times” Really End?
Some people argue that even if the “seven times” are prophetic and even if they last 2,520 years, Jehovah’s Witnesses are still mistaken about the significance of 1914 because they use the wrong starting point. Jerusalem, they claim, was destroyed in 587/6 B.C.E., not in 607 B.C.E. If true, this would shift the start of “the time of the end” by some 20 years. However, in 1981 Jehovah’s Witnesses published convincing evidence in support of the 607 B.C.E. date. (“Let Your Kingdom Come,” pages 127-40, 186-9) Besides, can those trying to rob 1914 of its Biblical significance prove that 1934—or any other year for that matter—has had a more profound, more dramatic, and more spectacular impact upon world history than 1914 did?
when exactly in the 1990's did the society change their stance of the meaning of the "generation'" that would not pass away that saw 1914?
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The November 1st 1995 Watchtower had the study articles.
The Nov 8th Awake had a new masthead dropping the 1914 date which up to and including the Oct 22nd Awake had specified the generation that saw 1914.
Google "Awake masthead generation 1995"
ok...so i am on a bit of a temper tantrum rant here...but if anyone has (endured) watched this month's broadcast, you will know what i mean!.
i have only watched 20 mins so far, and the hypocrisy is mind blowing.
they dare to go on about how thoroughly they research the material produced, so that errors are prevented etc.. for instance, the actually say how they ensure that a scientist is not misquoted, or that an "evolutionist" is not inaccurately quoted to make it seem like his comments are different to his intentions.
Let 'em keep their two witness rule.
Just obey the "Superior Authorities" (Romans 13 v 1) and report the crime of child abuse to them.
let the reader use discernment:.
i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.
while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.
Diogenesister said "But what I'm dying to ask is:
Did y'all wear headbands and wave sticks?!😂😂😂"
I would add, and of course have a helium filled seven headed dragon in tow.
