i was reading the book 'five stages of collapse' by dmitry orlov, which discussed in part, people's attitudes toward the probability of societal collapse.
one group of people, those who dispassionately examine facts, like scientists, engineers and accountants ultimately become diametrically opposed to the group of people with vested emotional interests, like politicians, businessmen and economists.
and he made some interesting comments that parallel our situation when we consider how people are polarized over the future of the organization..
@AussieBloke
Welcome to the forum.
After you have wished everyone a Merry Xmas and taken the Parkwood brothers and sisters down the pub why don't you suggest everyone donates a pint of blood to help out the medical community over Xmas and the New Year?
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
Welcome btlc!
How did your last visit go? - what with you and your wife being at "hem-hem" different levels of "spirituality."
there are quite a few here who have been disfellowshipped for apostasy.. then there are those that have successfully faded.. why the different outcome?
are the ones that got df more out spoken?
or does the discrepancy lie with the elders?.
Another arrow in your quiver is not feeling it is wrong to lie to those asking the "Do you believe the GB/FDS are Jah's representatives on earth?" or somesuch.
Remember their own definition of a lie is a self serving one that is different from anybody else's definition of a lie.
They say in the January 2016 Public WT under the heading LYING WHAT IS IT?
"Saying something false to someone who is entitled to know the truth."
Use it against them. YOU decide what they are entitled to know and just tell 'em of course you believe the GB is up there with Jah/Jesus. THEY aren't entitled to know the truth anymore than a Gestapo man isn't entitled to know where you hid your Jewish mate.
IMO!
right now, there are a lot of talks on this topic in quebec and, at the mid week meeting, they are reading the letter sent in 2002 where it states that the elders will call the authorities if the law forces them to.
the strange thing is, it looks like even when there are laws to that effect, jws seem to believe that it does not apply to them.
for instance, i know that they do not report anything in quebec, even if it is the law!
K99
That post should be on the front page of this forum glowing and flashing as encapsulating everything that is wrong with the WTS.
just doing research and came across this.. i know this is old however.
here we have a worldly organisation distributing pamphlets and warning parents about child abuse.. last point in particular.
3) inform the child that what happened is against the law and that it is necessary to report it to the police so that it will not happen again.. pretty straight forward if you ask me.. watchtower were happy to use that in their magazine.
Craftily written.
Note "in the event of actual abuse" - and how do "we" (WT and any WT following drone) determine "actual abuse" - the two witness rule or confession of course.
https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?utm_source=reveal&utm_medium=dist&utm_campaign=zalkin.
not only will you hear howie tran, former-bethelite, but irwin zalkins talks about watchtower's child abuse secrets.
debbie mcdaniels talks about her child abuse and you will hear trey actually talking to the jw who molested her..
Very good listen indeed.
Love hearing Tomo3 run away like the coward he is.
Can anyone say how large the audience for this is likely to be?
dear friends,.
once again my depression has got the better of me and i must bow out for a time.. "the angels sang glory to god in the highest and on earth peace unto men of goodwill'.
so if that means at this special time of the year then have a happy and safe christmas time all of you.. hugs.
Thinking of you Zeb. Take care and thank you for your support.
hi all, kind of news i suppose.. fyi, 10/12/2016 at melton assembly hall.
1,266 in attendance.. two 15 yo, one male one female baptised.. costs for the day, $6,951:00 .
before costs contribution to sydney branch office from last assembly surplus $3,000:00. jtg.
Thanks for that JTG. A whopping 0.16%!
Any mention of the elephant in the room AKA the ARC?
it's come out in my old congregation that, not one, but two child molesters have been hiding in my old congregation.
i knew both of them and one of them, an old man, was regularly at my house for field service meetings on a weekly basis.. in my old congregation there's an apostate who was awake long before i was.
unfortunately he cant leave because his wife and children and parents are still full on believers.
Maybe a handful of anonymous letters to a choice few of the local cong outlining the true facts might be helpful PE?
banned from going to the kingdom hall..... a former jehovah’s witness has been banned from visiting any of the organisation’s kingdom halls in the uk – or face going to jail.. http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/judges-jail-warning-to-former-117012/.
previous thread / discussion.
youtube channel.
"Anyone know the back story?"
Sorry - I must learn to read more carefully.
