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  To all the Christians on here...

  by homeschool in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize you believe the bible is the truth.

  do you believe it is the only truth?

  i wonder how you feel about other major religious books, like for other religions who have and never will be christian.

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  My apologies once again, if it seems I am trying to 'derail' this thread. I was merely expressing my Christian opinion. I didn't know there were rules against that.

  I'll butt out now and let you guys continue your discussion...
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  To all the Christians on here...

  by homeschool in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize you believe the bible is the truth.

  do you believe it is the only truth?

  i wonder how you feel about other major religious books, like for other religions who have and never will be christian.

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  Do you think I am not a Christian?
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  To all the Christians on here...

  by homeschool in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize you believe the bible is the truth.

  do you believe it is the only truth?

  i wonder how you feel about other major religious books, like for other religions who have and never will be christian.

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  I guess I am talking to anyone who still believes that their way of worship is the only right way and that anyone else is wrong. I have the greatest respect for Jesus and I love the Bible, but I think that Buddha and Confucius had it right as well. I guess in answer to homeschool's question, yes, I think that non-Christian religions also have the truth. I am not talking about doctrine, because as far as I'm concerned that is all just philosophical debate which it is not possible to verify one way or the other. I'm talking about morals and ethics. Individuals in those religions are just as capable of living a life of 'truth' as any Christian. How can we say that one way is better than the other? A wise and loving God should be able to recognise the genuine love of him no matter which religious practices accompany it. Like yknot... I think if there is one thing we should have learned from the JWs, it is the danger of being narrow-minded and judging.

  RR: I like your thought that all people will be helped regardless of religious affiliations. But do you mean that all people will have to become Christians? Once again, I hope that this does not sound insulting. Personally I just find that there is such a lot of wisdom in Eastern religions that I find it surprising that other people think Christianity is the only way. In fact to me part of the appeal and wisdom of many Eastern religious philosophies is that they do not claim to have the one and only truth.
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  For Those Lurking, Thinkiing of Leaving, Just Leaving, How Do You....

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ... start over with friends?.

  i would like to suggest that we leave finding another church out of this, not because it isn't a good idea for our theistically minded friends.

  for those that choose to do so, it seems like they do alright, and that seems the easiest suggestion to make.. so if thats for you, consider me taking care of that as suggestion #1.. but what if you need a break from the whole church scene?

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  One good thing about being raised a Witness, is that we know how to talk to people! We are usually well trained and adept at making small talk in situations where most people would be uncomfortable. And are pretty used to introducing ourselves to complete strangers. That helps! (How to do it without sounding like a car salesman is another thing though )

  I agree with many of the ideas above... just get into anything and everything that you are interested in! Join groups, do voluntary work, take courses. You are going to meet interesting people.

  One thing that I've found hard though, is that while its easy to meet people, its harder to make close friends. Most people have not had the sudden disruption of their entire social system in the way that we have when leaving the borg. Therefore many of them have good friendships already established. As shopaholic says, it takes time.
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  To all the Christians on here...

  by homeschool in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize you believe the bible is the truth.

  do you believe it is the only truth?

  i wonder how you feel about other major religious books, like for other religions who have and never will be christian.

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  Hmmm... I don't want to be insulting.... but, in that case, what makes you different from the JWs? You are still judging the rest of the world. Just swapped one church for another, but quite possibly you are no more open-minded than you were as a JW. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  ethical question - maybe you can help

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is hypothetical, but it must happen and i don't recall it being addressed before on jwn.

  we are df'd about 2 years now.

  our jw friends shunned us.. if one such friend now reaches out to contact us that would surely be a good thing, yes?

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  Another thought: JWs believe that the only scriptural end to a marriage is if there has been infidelity. In my case my husband was an elder and had been abusive for years. When I left him the pressure to go back to him from all sides was pretty intense. I slept with another man in order to get that pressure off my back. In my confused and emotionally battered state it seemed the only escape.

  I do believe that marriage is sacred, but I think that if you still believe, as the JWs do, that there is no good reason for needing to get out of a marriage and that 'families' should never break up for any reason... then you are still caught in the mind-trap.

  In my opinion the reasons for the marriage breaking up are a private matter between the couple. Nobody else ever knows the truth about it. You should offer support to either party if asked for it. Both of them have suffered. However, if this person is still a Witness at heart you might want to limit your contact with them. After all, they could end up shunning you again after they go back. Offer your support, but wait and see where they are really at. You may have a chance to help them see that its really better on the outside. If they have cheated on their partner they are obviously wanting to find out about life on the other side anyway.
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  November 15 Watchtower (Study Edition) - discourages showing affection to your spouse

  by CrazyBlonde in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  another gem from the same edition - article to be studied december 28 - january 3 (which most will miss lol coz of summer vacation) entitled "what do your prayers say about you?

  " page 6 para 19 reads:.

  19 when we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of god.

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  i've always hated the way there is so much emphasis on what other people 'might think'. It creates an organisation of people who do everything for show. Nothing is genuine. Sick.
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  has your life been "blessed" since leaving?

  by tigeress in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while in the org we are constantly told that if we just tow the line and behave that will we be blessed and everything we want will come to us.

  personaly i havn't found that to be the case in the 30 years i spent trying to tow the line.. but now i've left wonderfull things are starting to happen in my life and i'm so very happy!.

  so i wondered, have you encountered more "blessings" or less since leaving?.

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  Definitely! I now make more money than I ever have before. I am healthier because so much stress has been erased from my life and the life I am living is one that I have chosen for myself and one that suits me. I am happier because I can choose friends based on whether I like them and whether we have things in common, not just on the basis of their religion. I am happier because my days are filled with doing things I enjoy. And I now have a husband who does not think he is my boss, but is prepared to live with me as an equal.
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  Did a householder ever "break your spirit" at the door?

  by kitten whiskers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the thread on creepiest things at the door got me to thinking about the field service.. when i was having my initial doubts, and keeping up with "theocratic" requirements was hard (we had a new born and a two year old diagnosed with asthma which had us in the hospital several times, and only one vehicle), i had mine broken.. i can't really remember what the man said.

  he was angry and took out all of his frustrations on me.

  i had never been so abused before.

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  yeah doofdaddy...ironically, it was sometimes the ones who were the nicest that made me feel the worst.
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  Did a householder ever "break your spirit" at the door?

  by kitten whiskers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the thread on creepiest things at the door got me to thinking about the field service.. when i was having my initial doubts, and keeping up with "theocratic" requirements was hard (we had a new born and a two year old diagnosed with asthma which had us in the hospital several times, and only one vehicle), i had mine broken.. i can't really remember what the man said.

  he was angry and took out all of his frustrations on me.

  i had never been so abused before.

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  I can't think of a householder that broke my spirit, but the partner I was working with did...

  Was going through the dilemma of whether to stop pioneering due to severe health issues, and was told that the number of hours I put on my report was a direct reflection of how much I loved J. Incredibly hurtful.