ok im drunk but i'll have a brief go at answering you chris.
i personally suspect ol charlie boy had something to do with the Rosicrucians, the cross and crown is also a symbol of the scottish rite of freemasonry
the split i was reffering to was something i read about a division between the rites of freemasonry, i think one was for the north and one for the south.
the Rosicrucians seemed to pretty much disappear, as far as i know. and as far as i can vaguely remember the scottish rite had something to do with Rosicrucians.
you can do the footwork and find out for yourself if you're that curious, but i dont think you are, i think you're just messing with me.
thats cool... but be my guest and have a gander for yourself. it doesnt take much research to find there are ALOT of curious links.
but im guessing if anyone was really interested they would have already found that out anyway.
im not going to indulge you... i've done some of my homework already, if you're that interested do your own.
i dont mind if you dont believe what i suspect. thats cool, i can live with that. :)
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just to clarify... there is no disrespsct intended.. but really, when i started to search i searched and searched and searched. and i found stuff.. but who the fuck cares. my family certainly doesnt, and niether do alot of people. and to be candidly honest.. i dont much care myself anymore. im worn out with it.
its all pretty much a curiosity in a fuckin freak show is all now.
so if you want to look for stuff, then look.. i am by no means a genius. but i found some crazy 'coincidences' if you want to call em that. so anyone ought to be able to find the stuff.
i would urge you to have a good old look for yourself, and do think outside the box. but i dont feel i have to convince anyone of anything anymore.
we all believe what we want to. thats why i suppose i pretty much just poke fun at it all nowadays, cos it is what it is.
peace
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i also feel that its kind of a psycological thing that people as a whole do not like to think that anyone may have 'control' over anything. i personally feel thats why some individuals lean towards atheism, and also why some discredit the influence of 'secret' (not so secret) societies having long reaching goals.
people do not like the idea that someone else is CRAZILY prepared. we all like to think that everyone else thinks just like us. its human nature.
we just do not like to think those things which is i think why we reject those ideas.
so in theory, if some could make far reaching goals, they would logistically be at an advantage, because the rest of human nature doesnt even think possible the planning for a third or fourth generation (based on the best research science philosophy and psycology has to offer by ose making plans) is possible.
it would theoretically take one forward, outside of box thinking generation (no pun intended) to outhink all of us.
we just dont like to believe the possibility..
thats how i see it anyway.
ben