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  What's The Best Way To Help A Witness Leave The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  any suggestions?????

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  I would leave them to it. There is not much to be gained by forcibly pushing the issue. The internet is here. Dubs can look and find out what they want. We can help with any additional clarification/support.

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  What would be your dream career?

  by LyinEyes in

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  if you could have any job, career .......something you are very passionate about , what would it be?.

  i would be a photographer,,,,,,,taking picutures world wide, and hopefully be on the cover of time magazine , national geographic.. my second choice would be a makeup artist like kevin alcoin ( sp) , he could do magic and make anyone look like who he wanted them to be.

  truely an artist and too bad he passed away.

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  I would be a pro sportsman. Not sure what though!

  I am in spring training for the local cricket team. So I can still have some fun....despite my age!

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  Got my annual Memorial invitation!

  by Nosferatu in

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  last wednesday, me and my fiance went over to my parents' place for supper.

  my mother warmly invited us to attend the spiritual event (as she does every year).

  my fiance started first, "yeah, we could have a nice snack while we're there!".

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  Lucky you.........not received one for a very long time!

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  Cuban Missile Crisis = How did you feel if you were alive at the time?

  by AlanB in

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  i've just watched a program on tv about the cuban missile crisis.. i just wondered how the average jw at the time felt while this was happenning?

  or was the 1975 date firmly set by then?.

  interesting aside, i must speak to my dad about this, ask him how he felt as he was 'out' at the time and did not come back until a few years later, i wonder how he felt having being brought up in it?

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  I dont know quite how we all got through it!

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  Have you been to Church since leaving JW for someone eles?

  by LyinEyes in

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  this is just a question i am wondering about , since my daughter age 10, has asked me to take her to church.

  we have been out of the jw's for 2 yrs and she hated the meetings , we spent most of the time , outside in the car, in the bathroom or home the last years we were jw's.

  she has alot of little friends who go to a little group on tuesdays to learn about jesus and do things likes arts and crafts.. well, the ladies at the first baptist church invited her to go to sunday school for her age group.

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  I've not been to any churches. Its all make believe.

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  Victory for Terrorism

  by Yerusalyim in

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  the terrorists won a great victory in spain.

  mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.

  now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.

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  Its no victory whatsoever.

  If anything it raises the awareness of all against al Qaeda who's attack is on the western lifestyle etc. There will be collective support for attacking Al qaeda. That said you cannot equate the US foreign policy of attacking Iraq with ones view of Al Qaeda.

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  THE SHAME IS ON "YOU" DANSK!!!

  by Aikon in

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  hi dansk.

  i have read your commet on the subject "shame on you".. what you have seem to forgot is your family????

  yes if you was not like a "bull in a china shop" you would have stopped and looked at the situation to ensure your daughter were not left behind in the w/t.. but what did you do?

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  Hi aikon,

  you must be pretty close to a few of us here.

  My situation was kinda similar to yours in that I got the truth about the truth way before my wife did from the old H2O days where I posted. It took a while for my wife to accept what I was saying.I was amazed when she also wanted to leave. I never pushed it too much and went to more meetings than I really wanted to. But it worked out fine in the end.

  When I looked round I had been in it 20 years! So I wasnt that smart!

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  Victory for Terrorism

  by Yerusalyim in

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  the terrorists won a great victory in spain.

  mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.

  now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.

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  If Anzar hadn't blamed ETA without provocation he might well have won that election.

  Thats about the long and short of it.

  ISP
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  Likely US did not capture Saddam

  by ISP in

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  we got him: kurds say they caught saddam.

  by paul mcgeough, herald correspondent in baghdad.

  december 22, 2003. print this article email to a friend .

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  We got him: Kurds say they caught Saddam

  By Paul McGeough, Herald Correspondent in Baghdad December 22, 2003

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  Washington's claims that brilliant US intelligence work led to the capture of Saddam Hussein are being challenged by reports sourced in Iraq's Kurdish media claiming that its militia set the circumstances in which the US merely had to go to a farm identified by the Kurds to bag the fugitive former president.

  The first media account of the December 13 arrest was aired by a Tehran-based news agency.

  American forces took Saddam into custody around 8.30pm local time, but sat on the news until 3pm the next day.

  However, in the early hours of Sunday, a Kurdish language wire service reported explicitly: "Saddam Hussein was captured by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. A special intelligence unit led by Qusrat Rasul Ali, a high-ranking member of the PUK, found Saddam Hussein in the city of Tikrit, his birthplace.

  "Qusrat's team was accompanied by a group of US soldiers. Further details of the capture will emerge during the day; but the global Kurdish party is about to begin!"

  The head of the PUK, Jalal Talabani, was in the Iranian capital en route to Europe.

  The Western media in Baghdad were electrified by the Iranian agency's revelation, but as reports of the arrest built, they relied almost exclusively on accounts from US military and intelligence organisations, starting with the words of the US-appointed administrator of Iraq, Paul Bremer: "Ladies and gentlemen: we got 'im".

  US officials said that they had extracted the vital piece of information on Saddam's whereabouts from one of the 20 suspects around 5.30pm on December 13 and had immediately assembled a 600-strong force to surround the farm on which he was captured at al-Dwar, south of Tikrit.

  Little attention was paid to a line in Pentagon briefings that some of the Kurdish militia might have been in on what was described as a "joint operation"; or to a statement by Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraq National Congress, which said that Qusrat and his PUK forces had provided vital information and more.

  A Scottish newspaper, the Sunday Herald, quoted from an interview aired on the PUK's al-Hurriyah radio station last Wednesday, in which Adil Murad, a member of the PUK's political bureau,

  said that the day before Saddam's capture he was tipped off by a PUK general - Thamir al-Sultan - that Saddam would be arrested within the next 72 hours.

  An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East was quoted in the British Sunday Express yesterday: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."

  There has been no American response to the Kurdish claims.

  An intriguing question is why Kurdish forces were allowed to join what the US desperately needed to present as an American intelligence success - unless the Kurds had something vital to contribute to the operation so far south of their usual area of activity.

  A report from the PUK's northern stronghold, Suliymaniah, early last week claimed a vital intelligence breakthrough after a telephone conversation between Qusrat and Saddam's second wife, Samirah.
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  Politics.

  by Englishman in

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  why oh why do people start political threads on an ex-jw board?

  isn't there enough political forums elsewhere on the net?

  virtually every thread about political matters finishes up being locked, usually because someone starts to flame.. both sides of the recent plethora of political threads are now accusing the other of making propaganda.

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  ISP

  I agree with Six.

  I have my own view on whats in order. If you call that politics...so be it.

  ISP