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  LEVITICUS chapter 11 anyone?

  by plmkrzy in

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  jgnat

  I figure Acts 10:10-15 took care of that.

  "And the voice came to him a second time, What God has made clean, do not you make common." Now it was clear that this vision was to convince Peter he could share the good news with a Gentile. But it is also pretty clear that Jehovah has the final say in what is acceptable, regardless of what is written in the bible.

  ..and what Jesus drilled home, time and time again, is the law of love supercedes all others;

  Mat 15:11 Not what enters into the mouth defiles the man; but what goes forth out of the mouth, this defiles the man. (darby)
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  what flavour are you? :p

  by FreeRangeChicken in

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  hmmm... tastes like chicken.. .

  am i chicken?

  am i a frog?

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  jgnat

  

  Buzz buzz, I am Coffee flavoured.
  
  I am popular in the workplace, even though I am often bitter. I am energetic to the point of being frenetic; buzz buzz, out of my way. I tend to overwork myself and need periods of recovery time.

  Which explains my obsession with this website this week.
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  women, god and religion

  by teejay in

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  i'm close to leaving this place, but before i go, i've been meaning to post this politically incorrect viewpoint.

  it's an extension of a conversation i had with my mother in law not long ago, a conversation which was itself an extension of several extensions of thought that i've had over the years about a number of things.. simply put, there are two kinds of people in our world.

  those that believe the bible and those that don't.

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  Since Adam was the first man, and was made in the image both male and female, could Adam have been a she-male? Lets see... Adam, XY, Eve, XX. Adam has both male and female characteristics! So whats the trouble, men? Get in touch with your feminine side....

  Gen 1:26 - 31 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; ...And God created Man in his image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them... and God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good...the sixth day.
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  I DONT GET IT!

  by ANGIE2743 in

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  hi, my name is angelica and and want you guys to explain to me what this web site is all about?

  cuz it seems to me that its about how jw do everything wrong.

  pls, it will be nice of you guyd if you answer my question.

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  jgnat

  I have been here only a few months, but I have found it to be a great release to be able to freely talk about WTS issues without fear of being judged. I can ask questions. I can post conclusions of my personal study. I can see how people from all types of backgrounds respond to my thoughts. A pleasant side effect is the potential to make a whole new group of friends, with a great sense of humour. How refreshing.

  If you were expecting a "balanced" forum, with an equal number of JW Apologists, the society would first have to instruct its members in good standing that it is acceptable to have open dialogue with those who have been DA'd, DF'd, etc.

  Edited by - jgnat on 25 July 2002 17:28:25
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  The Myth of Unconditional Love

  by Oroborus21 in

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  (or why god is a behaviourist) .

  many well-meaning persons believe that the ideal state of love and relationship between two persons is one that is unconditional.

  this is simply referred to as unconditional love and what is meant by a person subscribing to this belief is simply that: no conditions are attached to my loving you wholly.

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  Oroborus21, I contend that the concept of unconditional love was conceived long before 1960.

  For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  Romans 8:38-39 ASV

  Oroborus you stated It is the myth of unconditional love that has kept too many women in relationships with men who are abusing them. I suggest, instead, that a misunderstanding of forgiveness keeps some women with their abusers. OK, maybe in a roundabout way:

  Abuser A: If you LOVED me you would FORGIVE me!

  Some here seem to be suggesting that unconditional love requires blind, thoughtless acceptance of all the actions of a loved one,

  Silly Parent B: I love my son. He could not have hurt that girl.

  And that unconditional love cannot impose any short-term pain or suffering on a loved one.

  Silly Parent C I know my adorable little munchkin is biting your child, but I just love her so!

  Also, the love must always be perceived as such by the one being loved.

  Silly Child D (possibly also Abuser A): If you LOVED me, you would help me break out of jail

  I agree with JanH that Love is as love does. From a childs point of view, for instance, this is the only love that matters.

  Silly Parent E I love you kiddies, but mommy has to go find herself now.

  But I maintain that it is love to turn in a spouse or an offspring who behaves in an extremely evil manner. I have allowed my children to face the full penalty of the law, when they were deserving of it. That is because, as a nurturing parent, I am more interested in the long term health and maturity of my child. This is a greater love than the examples of silly parenting above. In my opinion, unconditional love does not equal blinder love.

  If love is merely electrical impulses caused by stimuli, as expatbrit maintains, how do we explain people who sacrificed their entire lives for the good of the human race? Was it merely an extension of the biological urge to procreate and maintain the human species? I am thinking of some of my heroes; Florence Nightingale, Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Albert Schweitzer, Mother Theresa. If the actions of my heroes was merely biology, then yahoo for biology, and clone these guys! But my gut tells me cloning wouldnt work. What these people learned about love and self-sacrifice did not come from biology, but a deep soul searching and a lifetime of choosing integrity over the easy path.

  For scarcely for the just man will one die, for perhaps for the good man some one might also dare to die. Romans 5:7 Darby
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  WORD STUDY - 'Wicked'

  by NewWay in

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  word study .

  'wicked' - part 1

  "if i say to a *wicked man, 'you shall die,' and you do not warn him - you do not speak to warn the *wicked man of his *wicked course in order to save his life - he, the *wicked man, shall die for his iniquity, but i will require a reckoning for his blood from you.

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  1 Corinthians 5:11

  (poneros)

  "But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an Idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat."

  So if someone is claiming to be a brother but openly conducts in acts that have a hurtful, injurious, diseased result, I should avoid him.
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  WORD STUDY - 'Wicked'

  by NewWay in

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  word study .

  'wicked' - part 1

  "if i say to a *wicked man, 'you shall die,' and you do not warn him - you do not speak to warn the *wicked man of his *wicked course in order to save his life - he, the *wicked man, shall die for his iniquity, but i will require a reckoning for his blood from you.

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  To summarize Wickedness that leads to death, then,

  • Wickedness, anomos, is the of the lawless. The law is needed for these ones to show that acts like murder and greed are wrong and leads to death. Jesus came for these wicked ones to show the way to life.
  • Wickedness, poneros, are acts that have a hurtful, injurious, diseased result. If I sin, poneros, against my brother, I must go and make amends.
  • Wickedness, kakos, is intrinsically depraved and injurious.

  I am studying apostacy and shunning. The scriptures often referenced are Titus 3:9-11, 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 2 John 8-11. I wondered; what kind of sin or wickedness would cause us to avoid and turn away from these people? At Titus 3:9-11, the harm is heresy, hairesis. Such a man is sinful, hamartano. defined as to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.

  (Strongs)

  The prodigal sun admitted to his father this sin,

  And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned hamartano against heaven, and in thy sight: I am no more worthy to be called thy son. But the father said to his servants, Bring forth quickly the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: and bring the fatted calf, and kill it, and let us eat, and make merry: for this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

  Luke 15:21 -24 ASV

  Interestingly, the good but jealous son, complained that he had never sinned like his brother, but use the word parerchomai (neglected, passed by). The only other NT use of this word in relation to sin is,

  But woe unto you Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and every herb, and pass over justice and the love of God: but these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

  Luk 11:42 ASV

  So we sin against God by passing over love, in our zeal to follow every other law.
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  Let the dead bury their own dead

  by Hmmm in

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  my (non-jw) grandmother is visiting from the southwest this week.

  the usual family get-togethers are planned.

  my ms younger brother was complaining to me about how unreasonable our (jw) mother is being.

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  jgnat

  Hmmm, so right about power equipment! Thanks for giving me a laugh!
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  A question for Bleep

  by JT in

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  when bleep was asked has he read rays' book he responded.

  bleep says:.

  "i have not read the publication since i have many other publications that are fruitfull and benificial for true christians".

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  jgnat

  I suggest, Bleep, one final bible study. Consider the full meaning of Proverbs 26:4-5.
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  ? about a part of Ray Franz' Book

  by GodRules in

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  i read part of ray franz' book and in there he tells of a proposal that schroeder and two other members of gb.

  it had something to do with the coming of christ in 1957, i think.

  does anyone have information on what exactly it was that they proposed and what scriptures they gave for that proposal?.

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  jgnat

  Bleep. Care to back up your claim with data? The WTS is not sue happy? Does the WTS have a legal department? How many staff it? How many claims did they have last year? Was that more or less (proportionally by population) than the mainline churches? Who was paying the 16 year old girl's legal expenses in Calgary? Where were the lawyers provided from?