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  I continue to find it incredible....

  by AK - Jeff in

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  that christians throw the old 'where did the matter come from if there was a big bang'?, while having no problem with thinking that god was always there!.

  so the dust in the room had to have a 'maker'?

  but the super-computer brain sky-daddy is just there and always has been?.

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  Because she's hot

  Probably so, but she really has a mean streak toward Einstein...
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  Did anyone see the History Channel episode on the Witches Hammer?

  by JWoods in

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  this was a late medieval book printed not long after the gutenberg process became available.

  it is a treatise on how to discover, question by torture, and execute witches.. it is thought that several thousand were printed over the years (maybe second only to the bible in distribution in its day) - and that this was in large part responsible for the witch hunts in europe.

  the final example here in the americas - the salem witch trials.. it made me think about the jw propensity (and secret love of) all things "demonic".

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  At least the Catholic church has a group that investigates supernatural phenom............................Hey that face on the Tortilla isn't really Mary!

  Exactly the point - even though the Catholics still hold onto a sort of mysticism (miracles are an example) - their modern view is that most of this is misunderstanding, mental illness, or just plain nonsense. Seldom do they rush forward to hold exorcisms or hunt vampires, for example. Protestants in the mainstream have long ago given up this sort of stuff - I have not heard of Mormons making any big deal of demons either. Leaving probably the JWs and the Scientologists (Xenu and the thetans) as the only true purveyors of "demonism" in modern religion.
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  Did anyone see the History Channel episode on the Witches Hammer?

  by JWoods in

  1. social
  2. current

  this was a late medieval book printed not long after the gutenberg process became available.

  it is a treatise on how to discover, question by torture, and execute witches.. it is thought that several thousand were printed over the years (maybe second only to the bible in distribution in its day) - and that this was in large part responsible for the witch hunts in europe.

  the final example here in the americas - the salem witch trials.. it made me think about the jw propensity (and secret love of) all things "demonic".

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  This was a late medieval book printed not long after the Gutenberg process became available. It is a treatise on how to discover, question by torture, and execute witches.

  It is thought that several thousand were printed over the years (maybe second only to the bible in distribution in its day) - and that this was in large part responsible for the witch hunts in Europe. The final example here in the Americas - the Salem witch trials.

  It made me think about the JW propensity (and secret love of) all things "demonic". A second similarity was that this book took a rather perverse and restrictive rulemaking position on human sexuality...sound familiar, ex JWs? Another similarity was that the fear of witchcraft was almost exclusively directed toward women - especially on women who were smart or outspoken...sound familiar, ex JWs?

  It also made me wonder if the JW theology could ever give up the "mystic demonism" aspects of the religion - the possibility that old books or furniture could contain demons...that demons visit "weak sisters" for sex episodes in the night...that even kids toys can have demonic influence. I think they are as addicted to this kind of dark ages mysticism as they are to the name of their God, the time of the end prophecy, or anything else.

  I think the JW religion is addicted to this superstition - in a modern age where even the Catholic Church has pretty much rid itself of such things.
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  I continue to find it incredible....

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  that christians throw the old 'where did the matter come from if there was a big bang'?, while having no problem with thinking that god was always there!.

  so the dust in the room had to have a 'maker'?

  but the super-computer brain sky-daddy is just there and always has been?.

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  To me it seems that Big Bang means we understand all and creation means there are things we can not conceive.

  To me it means just the opposite. Accepted Big Bang theory states that we probably will never discover what came before the singularity.

  Creationism attempts to "understand" all by just lumping all the unknown into the name of an "infinitely eternal creator".
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  I continue to find it incredible....

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  that christians throw the old 'where did the matter come from if there was a big bang'?, while having no problem with thinking that god was always there!.

  so the dust in the room had to have a 'maker'?

  but the super-computer brain sky-daddy is just there and always has been?.

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  the believer contradicts himself when he insists that everything had to have a creator, yet the creator was always there.

  Exactly. It is in effect a cheap and easy way to dodge the very question they are attempting to answer.

  Serious cosmologists are actually trying to understand what happened immediately after the instant of the big bang, not before it. Scientifically, anything beyond that is in the realm of fantasy and speculation.
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  Do any of you still believe in 'Hellfire'? heh

  by theMadJW in

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  that they (trinity) are burning billions alive...forever?

  with worms that live forever gnawing on them?.

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  If madJW is not a troll, but instead a serious poster, why did he put this on the title of this thread?

  Re: Do any of you still believe in 'Hellfire'? heh

  That does not look to me like a serious start to a subject - looks more like an attempt to start an argument.

  The author of it does not even realize that probably less than 5% of the JWN contributors actually believe in hellfire.

  I personally think continued dialog with him is pointless.
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  I continue to find it incredible....

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  that christians throw the old 'where did the matter come from if there was a big bang'?, while having no problem with thinking that god was always there!.

  so the dust in the room had to have a 'maker'?

  but the super-computer brain sky-daddy is just there and always has been?.

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  I have been just a little disappointed in some of the casual rhetoric coming out of the semi-science semi-creationist crowd about the big bang. On another forum a strictly science thread on the big bang theory was turned into creationism and/or new-age metaphysics within a page or two.

  I think a lot of people just find rational science by theory and experimental discovery dry and uninteresting - it must be so much more fun to speculate on the paranormal or invisible beings and so on.

  At least there is always the small percentage that finds enjoyment in provable and reasonable facts.
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  Did Jehovah create the world to last forever?

  by maputo95 in

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  your jws do seem to read from the same hymn book, oops, kingdom song sheets or whatever different term they may employ to separate them sheep from us goats.

  and like sheep, they certainly are!

  reading from prepared scripts like mindless telesalesmen.

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  He put alot of thought into that comeback explaination huh?

  It was an elderly lady, but yeah. She was trying to "prove" how the annointed could last forever...

  I also heard a circuit overseer say just about the same thing (eternal sun) in a talk to the congregation during a visit.
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  Did Jehovah create the world to last forever?

  by maputo95 in

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  your jws do seem to read from the same hymn book, oops, kingdom song sheets or whatever different term they may employ to separate them sheep from us goats.

  and like sheep, they certainly are!

  reading from prepared scripts like mindless telesalesmen.

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  Good luck with convincing a fundamentalist of scientific laws of physics.

  Or biology. Or cosmology. I had a long-time JW once tell me that the annointed in the new system would get their power from the sun - because obviously Jehovah had made the sun to be a perpetual source of energy...

  When actually the fact that the sun, powered by the hydrogen cycle, is not perpetually eternal is precisely the best scientific proof that the earth cannot last forever.
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  M. Scott Peck

  by leavingwt in

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  his thoughts on honesty and love were very helpful to me.

  i was able to better understand myself and those around me.

  i didn't read the final portion of his book on religion, as i quickly lost interest.. however, just today, i read an interview with dr. peck from a few years ago.

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  Sad to see these old men (who actually contributed something at one time) wandering drooling down the street with their flies unzipped and trailing toilet paper from their shoes.