hm, I found out the phone number and called, and guess what ?
the householder was just praying to God to find the truth.
Immedietaley started a bible study over the phone, because he never can leave his home, Satan put too many doors blocking him...
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New light: Generation
by 5thGeneration ingot some info from the annual meeting.. unofficially, the 'generation' is now categorized as 2 groups.
the first is 'the 1914 group' and the second is the younger anointed 'contemporaries' who 'actually work for a period of time with those anointed ones'.. the 'generation' is now 'the lifespan of those who actually saw the beginning of the sign and then the lifespan of those who worked with those who saw the beginning of the sign'.. here we go again....
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teel, I was thinking the exact same, but then, I believe, they are just so sure of themselves, they pull out anything they want, the "spritual strong" ones will follow them, no doubt.
What was the reaction of most JW to last WT-article nonsense rule about public paryer behaviour (not embracing etc) ??
well, its from "mother", so its gold....no critic allowed...
or why do you think, humility is soo emphasized ? (twisting real humility to braindead submission actaully)
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Hillarious "Counsel" from Platform -Classic
by lepermessiah ini got this from a close friend -.
this past weekend, the family attended the circus assembly.
i skipped it, and didnt get a hard time for not going, which was a first.. anyway, my family didnt want to tell me about a couple of points from the d.o.
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going to watch the movie tonight
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Hillarious "Counsel" from Platform -Classic
by lepermessiah ini got this from a close friend -.
this past weekend, the family attended the circus assembly.
i skipped it, and didnt get a hard time for not going, which was a first.. anyway, my family didnt want to tell me about a couple of points from the d.o.
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I thought, on stage they are not supposed to name directly certain books, movies etc because of lawsuits ?
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conversation with wife
by inbetween injust a short info: my wife is not aware of me being here, and its not the time to tell her yet.. however, i time and again raise questions or even disagreement with some teachings of the wts, and she readily accepts them, but still believes, it is "the truth".
but the other day, she talked about the anointed, the number going up, instead of down, and even saying, that maybe the number 144.000 is not literal after all, but maybe symbolic like everything else in revelation.. i said, i would not be surprised, if "new light" comes sooner or later.. she said, that the term "new light" seems overused,.
i realised my chance, and put this thought deeper, example "generation" teaching, how it went from new, to newer, and back to older teachings etc... .
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good point OTWA: the canyon might hopefully not be as deep. Because not even a year ago, I myself had this canyon. While questioning some teachings, I still thought, Jehovah will sort it out.
However, it was only a matter of a short period of time, until this "canyon" was gone....it was not quite that big....
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want proof that the GB votes on doctrine
by Aussie Oz ini would like to find proof of this without refering to ray franz's c.o.c.
material.. is there anywhere a charter, a letter, a document that states stuff like a majority vote needed etc?.
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cantleave: yes, thats the reality about it, the bible as guideline is only in theorie. I remember an elders meeting, where I brought up the point, that a certain case was perhaps not a disfellowshipping offense, since the wording in the scripture does not support this conclusion. After some strange looks, the objection was not even discussed...
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conversation with wife
by inbetween injust a short info: my wife is not aware of me being here, and its not the time to tell her yet.. however, i time and again raise questions or even disagreement with some teachings of the wts, and she readily accepts them, but still believes, it is "the truth".
but the other day, she talked about the anointed, the number going up, instead of down, and even saying, that maybe the number 144.000 is not literal after all, but maybe symbolic like everything else in revelation.. i said, i would not be surprised, if "new light" comes sooner or later.. she said, that the term "new light" seems overused,.
i realised my chance, and put this thought deeper, example "generation" teaching, how it went from new, to newer, and back to older teachings etc... .
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just a short info: my wife is not aware of me being here, and its not the time to tell her yet.
however, I time and again raise questions or even disagreement with some teachings of the WTS, and she readily accepts them, but still believes, it is "the truth"
But the other day, she talked about the anointed, the number going up, instead of down, and even saying, that maybe the number 144.000 is not literal after all, but maybe symbolic like everything else in Revelation.
I said, I would not be surprised, if "new light" comes sooner or later.
She said, that the term "new light" seems overused,
I realised my chance, and put this thought deeper, example "generation" teaching, how it went from new, to newer, and back to older teachings etc..
I was surprised at her opening up in this way...
Later she said, that she feels bad, like an apostate, by questioning the GB..., but doesnt Jehoivah want us to do that ?
I readily agreed, and did not push the matter further.
I know, it is a little step forward, well actually it was quite a leap, but I know, that she will regret it, and step back once again....
How should I continue ?
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want proof that the GB votes on doctrine
by Aussie Oz ini would like to find proof of this without refering to ray franz's c.o.c.
material.. is there anywhere a charter, a letter, a document that states stuff like a majority vote needed etc?.
oz.
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never thoght about it myself, and it is such a crucial question. When I learned about the voting, that was the final seal on my conviction, that they are not directed in any way by holy spirit.
However, if you aks a JW, maybe an elder, they may think, it is like it should be in an elder meeting, where they pray for holy spirit, then discuss the scriptures relevant, and then come to a decision, EVERYBODY agrees.
What does not always work in elder meetings, surley it works for the GB. Thats how they may explain it....
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New CO 70 yrs old, "youre not doing enough" school. Sigh
by monkeyman ingot our new co. old school guy, 70 yrs old.
mo is "youre all not doing enough".
sigh.. three yrs of this asshole..
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guess we have been lucky last two turns, relatively young and even at times funny CO, who really tried to be encouraging and refreshing, of course, being limited by the org-rules, it is only an attempt, but still....
I wonder, if they, being rather smart individuals, see throug some things and struggle themselves...but how to find out ?
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UN scandal
by inbetween inlately i did a lot of reading regarding the un scandal, the org being a ngo for 10 years.
i tried to read both sides, the comments on jwfacts.com, as well as the defense at jehovahsjudgment.co.uk.. and then the endless discussion on topix.com between thirdwitness and alanf and others.. while i am sure, the way the org handled the whole situation, especially after the article in the guardian, was plain wrong, instead of openly confessing a mistake, it was done secretely and only after inquiry, and made it look like a cover-up.. .
however, considering the whole issue, i think it comes down to one question:.
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alanv: yes, no doubt, this was hypocritical behaviour, because they accuse other religions from doing what they end up doing, but the main question is: Is it wrong from a biblical standpoint (acc. to WTS teaching) to become a NGO associating with the UN?
Black sheep: I think, that was partially the problem contributing to the confusion, "red hering" and "strawman" tactics...
Gordy: Good point with YMCA, I guess here in Europe we have no expereince with this group, so I was not aware of any issues,
cantleave: I guess, in real life are many gray areas, the failure of the WTS is to try to regulate all this gray areas for the rank and file, but for themselves they take the freedom to do whatever pleases their purpose.