Posts by xcellxior

I remember serving as an MS. Rushing to get to the meeting because unlike most of the elders I actually had a real job which didn't involve cleaning windows and having my own work schedule. I remember arriving home at 7 and rushing throwing on suit, cutting my face up shaving like a looney. Get to the meeting at 7:25, rush to get the sound set up, test microphones. Then have to do highlights or local announcements. Or both.

Argh. So many wasted evenings... When I stepped down after serving 4-5 years not one elder thanked me for busting my hole. I was the good guy who was always there to step in... who always said "Yes no prob...". I get the occasional "We miss you" blah blah shit. I was only a donkey who did work and put a report in at the end of the month.

They are desperate now for brothers. In my cong they even reinstated a former MS who just a few months ago doubted the existance of God and the flood being a global event... (imagine that...). They have elders serving who are popping anti-d's.

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Do you belive in UFO's?

by highdose in

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friends

as jw's we were meant to say no, but as free thinking people, i wonder what your opionion is?.

xcellxior

Do you mean aliens?

I frequently see UFO's, they could just be satellites but since I cant confirm they are UFOs to me.

To believe a universe as big as ours is for 6 billion people seems a bit of a waste.

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The Final Nail in the Coffin of your JW Career

by jookbeard in

i know there has been countless threads on this, some say the paedophile scandal, others say the blood ban, some say the conduct of their elders, others say the petty rules etc.

but there is usually one thing that seals every one's fate, tips you over the edge,finishes you off.i was fading, very closely to full inactivity, off the book study list, and very sporadic meeting attendance, which took me to the very last time i set foot in my kingdumb hall, this is what happened;.

it was the memorial of 1994, i hadn't set foot in the place for months, but thought a show at the memorial would keep the wife happy and the elders at bay for a bit longer, i drove to the hall being careful not to get there too early(the wife was already there and had saved me a seat) i walked up to my seat about mid way in the hall so a lot could see me, it was packed probably about 200 there, as i sat down ( about 3/4 mins to go) a sister in front of me turned around and said"we haven't seen you in a long time!

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I think the final nail for me was when doubts started to give way to questions. I opened up to a "friend" in the congregation who despite promising me he would keep it to himself (since I had not worked through what I was going to do about my feelings) proceeded to then tell his father (an elder). This "friend" also admited to having doubts etc.

I was hammered in a "shepherding" visit which then turned into an unofficial judicial committee the next week(three elders in kingdom hall). I defended my right to doubt and highlighted numerous areas where this was acceptable, even commendable in the Bible. I brought material concerning the blood issue (that whole white blood cells are in breast milk etc). I highlighted the fact that the UN thing was a mistake... The obviously frustrated elder said "Why do you say that?", to which I reply because the moment it went public they left. He then said "Did you ever consider that perhaps they got everything they needed and no longer needed the membership...??"

At that point I realised this elder who I had respected for many years was nothing more than a puppet, trying to defend something that was clearly wrong. He was even making points that were untrue. He couldn't grasp the hypocrisy. Not wanting to provoke the situation I just accepted this point of view respectfully... Another one of the elders told me not to be reading things on the internet, like the UN website... This was another double standard. If the UN material is good enough for the WT and Awake why isn't it good enough for me??

I wrote my letter to step down from being a MS. It was approved by the branch and an announcement made. After serving for over 5 years not one of my "friends" offered any type of token gesture like "Sorry to hear you aren't serving anymore. I enjoyed your talks. blah blah". Nothing.

The final nail was when the "friend" I had trusted and who had admitted to me had his own doubts (about WT prophecies, revelation, the flood) was made a ministerial servant a couple of months later!! The stench of hypocrisy just became overwhelming. I did attend a few meetings after that and all my "friends" were so excited to see me. They had "missed" me. B*llocks that.

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Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

by AnnOMaly in

this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

background.

for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

xcellxior

Urgh. There is absolutely no point in trying to reason with Scholar. Unless he can face the possibility that everything he has ever learnt from the WT has holes in he will keep on dodging and relying on "experts" (sorry I mean "an expert") with biased viewpoints. I won't pretend to know all the ins and outs of certain tablets and their implications but I had a real hard time finding any unbiased independent real expert who says 607 is the right date.

This is manufacturered like 1914.

Scholar: Specifics aside (because as you suggest you aren't an expert). Do you think that God would require his true followers to rely on historical records to prove the return of his Son?? The most significant date in all of human history. Historical records can be wrong... I mean if the bible is inspired shouldn't we just be able to use that?? We now have to rely on artifacts produced by pagans?? Last time I checked these weren't inspired.

If you cannot take the bible in one hand and Gods Holy Spirit to figure out 1914 with that alone then you are on the wrong path. This "wisdom" by the FDS is misleading and attempts to give God a timetable. Wake up man.

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Need Questions

by ufo1 in

i used to post here a while back as 2112 and i am posting again.

i have continued to read but have just been too busy to post.. anyhow, over to past few years my jw wife has aced if the elders could "talk" to me.

i have always said no, only because i didn't want to bother.

xcellxior

I had a meeting with three elders when I used to serve as an MS. I had raised some doubts to a "friend" of mine who did what all good "friends" do and run to the first elder and dob me in. They would under no circumstance have the meeting in my house OR allow my wife to attend. She came with me anyway and sat down and was asked "What are you doing here?". I argued the fact that she had been present during their first "shepherding visit" (when I confessed that I had doubts) and as my wife she had every right to be present. They said unless she left they would not continue. So basically three elders versus me.

While it didn't end in me being disfellowshipped I did after a couple of weeks decide to stand down and since then have stopped attending meetings or reporting field service. They did attempt to try and arrange another "shepherding" visit to encourage us. I have refused.

They showed me no respect, they showed my wife no respect and they showed our marriage no respect. "What God has yoked together let no man put apart". Oh and they showed no respect for the scriptures either.

Rgds.
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Is Jehovah a true god?

by asilentone in

xcellxior

lol

Good one isaacaustin. If you follow the bible and trust the scriptures then you have to believe the WT is a false prophet.

Jehovah / Yahweh / God cannot lie, it says that in the bible. So neither should his only organization and unique channel on earth... Unless they really aren't his only unique channel on earth... in which case... they are a bunch of liars. The WT is the biggest stumbling block to many Christians. So many fall away from God and Christ because of their experience with this group (some just stop believing based on their understanding etc and that is their choice)

It's ridiculous how common sense does not make JWs wake up to the reality. They are being manipulated and conditioned to think in a certain way, to act in a certain way.

Pisses me off.

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how are the dubs reacting to swine flu?

by highdose in

i'm just curious as the offical govement advice about swine flu is to stay away from public areas if poss and if you have swine flu to stay from everyone full stop!.

but my experiance of jw's is that they would go to the hall wether they were infectious or not.

many is the time i've sat behind someone coughing or spluttering away!

xcellxior

By way of introduction.

I am an inactive JW. Been in the truth all my life. Baptized and served as MS for several years.

One fine day I started to think outside the box about certain "truths". The blood doctrine really did it for me the more understood it, the less sense it made. The Elders are woefully uninformed about it. One of them even stated from the platform that we shouldn't get "bogged down" with the details of it. This was after I had a very frank discussion with them about the actual details. They preferred to sweep it under the carpet. When I told the about the UN association and how the ceased their membership because they were doing wrong, one elder replied "Did you ever consider they ceased their relationship because they had gotten everything out of the UN that they needed?" It was so sad that the elder didn't even know why they left but was prepared to make up excuses to cover the socities back.

I have learnt a great deal of real truths in the last 6 months. My mind is open for the first time ever.

I've lurked on this board for a long time, when I was an active JW I would come here and read but discount everything based on the "apostate defense mechanism" that each witness has. I am amazed at how even with so much evidence some JWs remain blind to the true light.

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United Church of God - Freakishly like JWs

by xcellxior in

i was looking at other religions and came across .

http://www.ucg.org/.

i couldn't believe how close it seemed to jws with their "council of elders".

xcellxior

I was looking at other religions and came across
http://www.ucg.org/

I couldn't believe how close it seemed to JWs with their "Council of Elders". I ordered one of their booklets, they even look the same as JW stuff. Does having material belonging to another religious organization mean I will be disfellowshipped?

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how are the dubs reacting to swine flu?

by highdose in

i'm just curious as the offical govement advice about swine flu is to stay away from public areas if poss and if you have swine flu to stay from everyone full stop!.

but my experiance of jw's is that they would go to the hall wether they were infectious or not.

many is the time i've sat behind someone coughing or spluttering away!

xcellxior

I'd imagine the society will release an article on highlighting illness and the fact that the end is even closer etc etc.

The society is really on the pulse of things.

Thankfully the GB knows exactly what food is needed at the right time.

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