That's one of the best thread subject lines I've seen in awhile. Made me laugh...I shall feel your pain in a couple o' weeks. I'll be sure to find this thread and post my thoughts then...
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10Emotionally manipulative claptrap
by under_believer injust watched the first drama of the convention.
man what a load of simplistic, lurid, manipulative garbage.
off to barf now.
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Re: Revision of Sing to Jehovah—Piano Accompaniment
by pixel indear brothers: .
we are pleased to announce that the recordings for sing to jehovahpiano accompaniment have been revised and are now available on the jw.org web site for downloading.
these new recordings have improvements in their tempos, pausing, and sonic quality.
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It's funny to watch an entire audience start to fidget when they know they are getting close to one of those really awkward portions of a song...which is going to sound like a cat being dragged through a knothole everytime it's sung.
And who doesn't remember the old song 100? Once I learned how to understand musical notes (in 8th grade, I believe), I no longer had problems with that, and then I realized I was one of maybe two or three people in the KH who didn't mess it up. It's a tied note, man! Didn't anybody get tired of messing it up and decide to figure out how to get it right?
Well, some of the new songs definitely sound weird and offkey to me. There are some I think are actually decent, but then they took old classics and screwed those up or changed the lyrics for no real reason. Hmm. Oh, man. Not looking forward to hearing the massive sound of 6,000 people singing these songs in a couple o' weeks...
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Casual sexism in Watchtower literature
by slimboyfat ini notice the sexist language of the watchtower a lot more these days.
is it on the increase or am i simply more tuned into to noticing it now?
for example this statement in the june kingdom ministry:.
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I read. The entire article seemed to be written only for the girls. Arguments include 'no potential husband would want a woman who has slept around' and 'women who put out are always fun to date but never the ones men marry', etc. I was really kind of shocked (and NOTHING shockes me about that religion anymore). I checked the beginning again to see if there was anything anywhere that said "a young woman asked..." and there wasn't.
This logic doesn't even entirely hold from JW perspective. What they're trying to do is humiliate women who do have sexual experience and make them feel worthless or unlovable by a 'pure JW man'. While out of the other side of their mouth praising the prostitute Rahab as an example of how 'God dignifies women'. Shameful. How well do they expect this sort of thing to be accepted by the public?
It was pretty obvious to me that the women in the congregation were across the board smarter than the men. It was the men who were consistently incapable of decent reading skills. Frankly I would've been glad to see some female Watchtower readers, and that's just the beginning.
But yeah, I never did get the 'head of a woman is the man' concept. If we're all human, then we're all equal, we just have different equipment. I always thought marriage should be a partnership of equals who work with each other towards a common goal, not a place where there's a pecking order between husband and wife.
I think we need a Caleb's parents video here. Caleb's Dad: "You need to be wearing your head covering if you are going to pray in my presence! And TAKE THOSE PANTS OFF! Only I wear the pants in this family!!!"
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exJW Psychology 101--Keeping Your Cool While Fading
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inin an effort to get some help and hopefully help others, i'd like to start this thread about psychology, specifically starting with the subject of anger management.. .
personally, i don't have much of a temper.
what i do have, i've learned to control.
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I'm pretty sure I flunked all your exJW Psych courses, B the X. Still not good at keeping my cool over these issues. It's like a furnace with a neverending flame, that sometimes gets subdued, but can never really be put out...
In fact, I don't get the sense that even some of the elders on my JC entirely kept their cool... I guess if I think back on what I said to them, I probably did throw a zinger or two out there that might've gotten under the chairman's skin a bit, you know, like throwing his own words back at him and all...
Ah, well. Too late to be cool about it now. But it would be healthier to find peace with this sort of stuff.
Also, I haven't been much of a son to my parents since leaving home. I haven't even really felt able to give them a call on the phone, even though my dad's never been a JW. Part of me never even wants to talk to my mom again in life. Hell, all of me never even wants to talk to my mom again in life. Or any of my other JW relatives, probably my wife included, terrible as that is to say.
I was used to getting bullied, either emotionally or physically, most of my life. Honestly, it's past time for me to get mad and be vocal about something for once. I've wanted to handle things more like you've done. I just f***ed it all up and never had the chance.
Whatever the case, thank you for writing this stuff down. I hope it helps other folks who have more self-control than I did.
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Faithful Slave chosen in 1874
by Ultimate Reality inas further proof that the 'slave's' appointment taking place in 1918/1919 is a bunch of non-sense and internally inconsistent with the society's own claims, they (that is, what became the slave) did not even know they were appointed in 1919. in the early 1920's, they thought russell was the slave and that he had been appointed by christ (as added proof of his heavenly presence) in the 1870s.. from the harp of god, chapter 9, (1921 edition):.
"...we mark a wonderful fulfillment of this statement of the lord as further corroborative proof of the lord's second presence from 1874 forward.
he had said, in answer to the question relative to his second presence: "who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
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Now that is a great find. Blows it all the frak out of the water. You sunk my theological Battleship!
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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...
by sosoconfused inso i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.
nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.
his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.
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Wow. Those elders are going to have to reverse their decision, I would think--they're dead wrong, based on that article.
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Don't You Have Faith??????
by TOTH inawhile back i posted about my wife's father passing away.
despite her not attending meetings or even the memorial in quite some time, she and her father were always very close.
he understood her condition and did not fault her for not attending or not being active.
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Another prime example of how basic human feeling is stifled by WT indoctrination. But frankly, I think even the WT wouldn't approve of talking to a fellow brother or sister that way (at least in the textbook). It's just some people take their own extreme view and reason that a person who grieves a lot is lacking in faith somehow.
Some people would earn a fat lip for saying something like that to somebody at a time like that. Unbelievable. Then again, I somewhat identify. I can remember grieving over someone being DF'd and a sister coming up to me and saying, "Maybe it was for the best." One brother even had the nerve to grab my arm and literally clamp down so that I wouldn't walk away while he was trying to his offer his 'comforting words'.
It's effed up, that's all I can say.
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Crtical Analysis of the Proclaimers book
by cantleave injust found this on google.
i'm sure this has probably been posted on jwn before, but its new to me and will be to others.. http://www.cftf.com/booklets/proclaimers/index.html.
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Great thing is, the WT has made interesting references to events recorded in more detail in the Proclaimers book (like 4 out of 7 of the board of directors wanting Rutherford to return decision-making authority to the board as a whole, as discussed in the July 15, 2013 WT). I've read some of the critical analysis before, and it's excellent stuff. The Proclaimers book is very revealing once you understand that the history is spread out amongst its pages so as to dilute the proof of flip-flops in doctrine and so on... --sd-7
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Post 6: My brother turns on me now - Possible Legal advice
by sosoconfused inthis is a letter i received today with my brother turning on me based on something that was told to him by my crazy mother.
he works for me, yet has not spoken a word to me in months because he is a self-righteous little dick.. .
what i would like to know from someone who knows the law, is it possible i can sue him if he pressures people to not work with me because of my religious beliefs????
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Please know, that at this point, this is my private decision. I will not discuss it with any of the brothers and sisters in the area who work with you. If in time, circumstance are such that its necessary to do that, I will.
In this statement, he has stated an intent to discuss your personal beliefs with your co-workers (employees?) at some unstated point in the future. This in itself is not proof that he has done so, however, and even if he did, he is now (from what I gather) no longer in your employ. Since he no longer represents your business, there's no legal basis for anything here, as he has not done anything from a legal standpoint other than resign and give you a personal letter stating the reasons for doing so. So I don't believe you can sue or anything. Without documented proof that he did make good on this threat/intent, this would be no more than a he said/she said situation. And even then, since he no longer works there, and deals with these men and women on a personal level, I just don't see a legal leg for you to stand on. If he still worked there and did that, it would be grounds for immediate termination on the basis of discriminatory behavior being actively promoted in the workplace.
But this is getting complicated. Seems to me he's lying about a number of things here. Lie #1:
Please note that this has nothing to do with your feelings about the organization at this point.
Lie #2:
You are my brother. I love you unconditionally.
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Please be assured of my continued love and support, both brotherly, familial, and principled.
There may even be more in there. These are unconscious lies, I would guess. He doesn't realize he's lying. But if he is concerned enough to stop working with you, that is a very loud and very clear statement that Lies 1-3 above are clearly false statements. If it had nothing to do with your feelings about the organization, what else is going on you've not mentioned? If he loves you unconditionally, what reason is there for him to essentially threaten to speak to other employees about your personal beliefs? This is a violation of basic ethical behavior. It's not unreasonable that you refrain from discussing personal beliefs at work especially if they're divisive ones.
Well...it sounds like you're getting hit from all ends, man. How are you even functioning? I'd be furious. I hope you'll be okay. I really do.
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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...
by sosoconfused inso i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.
nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.
his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.
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Dude! If I had known this...maybe my wife would've had scriptural grounds for divorce if I just hadn't told her about that first woman and then brought it up at the judicial committee! Me and my big mouth! Son of a beast!
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