Found out he left his wife for another woman... (like his brother, he also left his wife for a sister at his hall). So crazy!! Wow and he made me feel like crap, at least I didn't cheat!! Wow...
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Wow Found out one of my Elders was DFed
by Butterflyleia85 inmy mom called and i found out one of my elders just got dfed.. i started out with three elders at the west hall and moved to a new congregation, the south hall (really an old one from when i was 16 and younger) while i was publicly reproved for the first time.
my mom decided it would be best for me and my sister to have friends our age locally to hang out with.
well we did the move and i hated the hall even more because i thought the friends their were cool and would be supportive but found it to be even more stuck up then the other hall.
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A hopeful but weird and funny dream I woke up from about my old Jehovah's Witness friends and family
by Butterflyleia85 ini had a weird dream last night, a dream i'd love to come true in a sense.
i can't remember all but the bits and peices had my mom, my old best friend lacey and another friend that wasn't from my hall but a good friend crystal, it did have my grandma and sister but they weren't in it as long.
my mom and i were in the car together she said she's been talking to crystal and she too had seen some sorta evidance that jw's were wrong, wrong and actually became worse about menipulating the people.. (in reality crystal has always been a bet rebelous and i didn't understand how she could do things she did and be a jw but i was thankful for her kindness when i got reinstated, she was the only one that actually wanted to hang out with me.).
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Thanks you guys!!
Yeah undercover, I seriously had dreams like that too!! I also use to have nightmares about being at the hall or convention and them (other JW friends really) shunning me. It hurt so bad I was so emotional and crying, I felt so embarressed and alone, but then I woke up and I was releived I wasn't in that position again... I remember the struggle it took going into the hall when I was df the first time.
Stephen OMG you are so right! haha wow that's so cool, yeah... it makes sense. and yes Brother Edwards was actually my elder. My sister and her husband actually rented from him. It was crazy cause here I thought he was a really nice elder but then in the back room, I felt so awlful and hurt by his comments. He's the elder that stepped down when I was trying to get reinstated that I mentioned in my other posts.
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A hopeful but weird and funny dream I woke up from about my old Jehovah's Witness friends and family
by Butterflyleia85 ini had a weird dream last night, a dream i'd love to come true in a sense.
i can't remember all but the bits and peices had my mom, my old best friend lacey and another friend that wasn't from my hall but a good friend crystal, it did have my grandma and sister but they weren't in it as long.
my mom and i were in the car together she said she's been talking to crystal and she too had seen some sorta evidance that jw's were wrong, wrong and actually became worse about menipulating the people.. (in reality crystal has always been a bet rebelous and i didn't understand how she could do things she did and be a jw but i was thankful for her kindness when i got reinstated, she was the only one that actually wanted to hang out with me.).
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haha yeah it was crazy! I am excited about learning all I'm learning but I also can see I getting a little worked up about it that it's affecting my dreams. lol
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Jehovahs relationship towards Christians is like an internet that links his humble love for everyone,
by Gayle insteve lett - gb - interesting comment**********************************huge attendance on witnesss special gathering monday, 15 february 2010 08:26 .
over 3000 members of the jehovahs witness religion braced the strong heat at lawson tama yesterday morning to hear gods word delivered through an invited speaker.. .
it was an awaited gathering which witnesss members prepared for in the past weeks.. .
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I always understood jehovah as a selfish god but deserving of this... so not being humble but just!
maybe that's the JW thinking kick in.
kinda like a logical thinking person versus a emotional thinking person... i guess... they both can be loving.
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A hopeful but weird and funny dream I woke up from about my old Jehovah's Witness friends and family
by Butterflyleia85 ini had a weird dream last night, a dream i'd love to come true in a sense.
i can't remember all but the bits and peices had my mom, my old best friend lacey and another friend that wasn't from my hall but a good friend crystal, it did have my grandma and sister but they weren't in it as long.
my mom and i were in the car together she said she's been talking to crystal and she too had seen some sorta evidance that jw's were wrong, wrong and actually became worse about menipulating the people.. (in reality crystal has always been a bet rebelous and i didn't understand how she could do things she did and be a jw but i was thankful for her kindness when i got reinstated, she was the only one that actually wanted to hang out with me.).
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Butterflyleia85
I had a weird dream last night, a dream I'd love to come true in a sense. I can't remember all but the bits and peices had my mom, my old best friend Lacey and another friend that wasn't from my hall but a good friend Crystal, it did have my grandma and sister but they weren't in it as long. My mom and I were in the car together she said she's been talking to Crystal and she too had seen some sorta evidance that JW's were wrong, wrong and actually became worse about menipulating the people.
(In reality Crystal has always been a bet rebelous and I didn't understand how she could do things she did and be a JW but I was thankful for her kindness when I got reinstated, she was the only one that actually wanted to hang out with me.)
Well as we were driving along my grandma and sister were out inservice together with Lacey we stopped to say hi. Grandma was driving and parked her car in front of this apartment. She said, "Oh we just decided to take a brake and stop by Lacey's new apartment."
(Lacey kinda reminds me of Kyria Abraham when she was little and I being the Emily, she always did as she was told and was kind scared to do anything new unless I kind teased but motivated her to try it. Lacey also was really smart, straight A student that loved to read Star War books.)
"Oh ok," mom said. Lacey turned to us and said, "Well actually you all can come up and see it."
I was so so very excited but I kind wanted to respect them all and I was very quiet and sheepish-like. But we both looked at each other and smiled. She lead the way to her apartment, she was talking how she would pay her rent to Brother Edwards (In reality, he owned a home that had three apartments for people to live in and rented it out to the younger JW friends from are congregation) (well in the dream...looked like he owned a whole Apartment complex but it kinda reminded me of a hotel). She began to unlock her door and go straight to the kitchen and grab what looked like a Weight Watchers meal. She didn't have a microwave and had to go to the lobby to get the meal warmed up.
"I will be right back, I'm just going to warm this up" she said. I began to follow her... (don't know why, it's a dream, I awake now and think honestly I would have stayed in her apartment with the others). I began to admire her looks, here this girl who once wore thick glasses and have a much thicker body and fair skin, turned into this tan beautiful skinny girl. I smiled and felt so happy for her.
(In reality, I just looked at her facebook and was astonished to see how beautiful she's become, I do remember my grandma telling about how she was trying to lose weight and has looked alot better but in her picture I was like Wow I'm so happy for her but gosh I hope she did this for the right reason, she always the rebel when it came to trying to look pretty and I respected her for that and actually admired her for that, she seemed so confident and proud of her simple and pratical look and didn't care what everyone else thought of her. I so envyed her, I always kinda worried about what everyone else saw me as.)
But then something weird happened, I looked at the food she was about to place in this weird machine. The food was like froozen mixure of what looked like mushed peas and other weird combination I couldn't make out. She stuck it into what looked to be a sort of printer but with a hole on the top where the meal fit and then it would push it out of the bottom as ooze. Grows! I thought. As she was doing this her hands began to shake and she began to tell me, "they have us eat this stuff, they announced that all the food the worldly people are offering us is worldy food now and we don't want to put any contaminating food in us, this is poisons to the brain. As the loving and dicreitful slave class has brought us our nourishing food for us!"
I couldn't make out a word I just stood there in shock. They seriously are controling their literal food now! OMG! She said, "You know... I have been noticing your comments on facebook and I beleive you are right... but it's to late now I think this food they are giving us has something in it... like a drug..."
I woke up! Dang it!! I wanted to finish it to! ...hahaha Wasn't that super weird. ha I think I been reading and researching so much it's all I think about now. lol But seriously I do have hope for my family and friends, that one day they will see what I see, talk to me again! :) Let's hope thought it won't be like my dream exactly. lol
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Why is Ray Franz the only GB member to have ever resigned?
by yadda yadda 2 init's always seemed a bit odd to me that ray franz is the only gb member to have ever resigned, particularly for such a controversial religion.. we know from ray franz's books that there is often debate amongst the gb about new ideas sometimes introduced and often they are quite divided in their opinions.. i am not sure when the "governing body" officially began (wikipedia's explanation is messy) but it was quite a few decades ago.
there have been dozens of members of the gb since it's creation (does anyone know the exact total number?).
one would think that there would have been a few more disgruntled gb members over the years who would have resigned if the gb voted against some proposal they felt very strongly about.
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International Cultic Studies Association updates
by Dogpatch inmore information on the book can be found at http://baytreepublish.com/clt-tr-mndc-fr.html.. .
http://www.cifs.org.au/ (cult information and family support in australia) http://www.icsahome.com/.
"focolare: a cult?
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Butterflyleia85
Thank you it was very wonderful information and to know there is a working progress!!
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I talked to my sister last night, weird.
by Leprechaun inme and my sister was talking last night, she has been a witness for most of her 68 years and has always seemed reasonable, showed the zombie side of herself, when i mentioned i had read old articles from the consolation magazine on the subject of shots/inoculations, and how they directed the witnesses away from that form of medical help.
i said i wonder how many people have died because of this cult like control.
she quickly and practically went into shock that i would even suggest that the holy governing body would even suggest such a thing to their members.
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Butterflyleia85
They are brain washed and that is very typical, they can't comprehend why because they haven't done their homework and they are told not to look at apostate things so you have to reason with them on other things but with JW tactful terms.
Have you seen the new Star Wars, me and my fiance rented it, it's very good! But thats because I like sci-fi and was around it all my life.
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response from Ray Franz on generation change
by isaacaustin inthanks for your letter and the thoughts contained.
others had commented on the latest shift of the interpretation of this generation.
as you recognize this allows for an unending extension of time and likely stems from an awareness of the approach of the year 2014 marking 100 years since the date of 1914.. .
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Thanks!
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I received an email from Ray Franz
by Out at Last! ini have read on this site that if you write to ray, he will reply.
i was skeptical about this, so i wrote him about how much i appreciated reading the book crisis of conscience and thanked him for his time and effort in writing and documenting his experiences in bethel.
after a few weeks with no reply, i thought that i would never get one.
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Butterflyleia85
Awww Wow that is so great!! He must be a wonderful guy. Yes I heard many claims to that he can be reached through email. That's so lovely... I do want to thank him too but I don't want to make an obligation for him to write back. I just have been doing him the favor of passing his book along. So nice to hear though and nice of you to share with us, Out At Last!