i always loved al green's let's stay together!
still, tina turner's version is very different and i love that too.
crying, by roy orbison is great and so is k.d.
I forgot a few others:
Faith No More - they did an awesome cover of "Easy" by The Commodores
Love and Rockets version of "Ball of Confusion" by The Temptations
Rage Against the Machine - The Ghost of Tom Joad by Springsteen (almost unrecognizable, but the RATM version is AWESOME)
The Clash - I Fought the Law by Bobby Fuller
Good mention of "Hurt" by Johnny Cash - that song and video are unbelievable.
i always loved al green's let's stay together!
still, tina turner's version is very different and i love that too.
crying, by roy orbison is great and so is k.d.
Never Let Me Down Again - Depeche Mode (original) and Smashing Pumpkins(remake)
Gone,Gone,Gone - Everly Brothers and Robert Plant/Allison Krauss
and...let the jokes begin
Do You Want To Touch Me (Oh Yeah) - Gary Glitter and Joan Jett (I think JJ's version is way better)
I also should mention Ozzy's version of Stayin Alive by the Bee Gees - great fun!
well, it seems like that the holy spirit is making its first mistake!
they want to appoint me as a ministrial servant!
i wonder if that means that apostasy while being apointed as a ms is okay?!
I would refuse at all costs.
I would keep it simple "I appreciate your interest in me serving in that capacity, but I am not ready to accept that responsibility"
You will just make things harder on yourself if you are already having serious doubts. What happens when you have to give a part in regards to some dribble that you no longer agree with? It will just make you more angry and upset.
Plus, like Wobble said, being an MS is a thankless job. You will be given all kinds of "privileges" that will chew up your valuable time.If you get to the point that you no longer want to attend, then you have to start getting rid of those "privileges" which will add to your stress.
I dont think you will like what is on the other side of the wall
once again the extremely controlling measures taken by the wt society are evident in the "witness only " nov.15th wt article " treasure your place in the congregation ".
as time goes on the governing body keeps pushing the thought into witnesses minds that the " faithful & discreet slave " is the boss , god, main enchilada , the one through whom rank and file witnesses must answer to in order for jehovah to approve them.
so strap your seat belts on: this should be interesting.. under the subheading " cherish our place- how ?
It is articles like these that make me so mad now. Once your eyes are open to the manipulation it does grate on your nerves. But until recently I would have seen this advice as reasonable and loving.
Well Said Nugget - I think we all felt like that most of the time.
OUTLAW always tells it like it is - these SOB's love to cut Jesus out of the picture. Didn't Jesus WARN against people like this?
Didn't Jesus come to demolish a system where a bunch of old power-hungry slave drivers tried to run every aspect of peoples' lives?
They have replaced themselves as the mediator. Listen to us or else!
I think George Harrison says it best:
Think For Yourself
I've got a word or two
To say about the things that you do
You're telling all those lies
About the good things that we can have
If we close our eyes
Do what you want to do
And go where you're going to
Think for yourself
'Cause I won't be there with you
ill have a long weekend this week because of the thanksgiving holyday.
i made plans to have the entire weekend off with no activities in order to have time to begin to awake my wife.
i dont plan to lay everything out in one day, nor take the approach of we are living this organization, rather, im taking the approach of here is some information that we should consider and think about.
4) Then discuss the WT dishonesty, hypocrisy, double standards and manipulation of information.
a.c hild pedophilia handling
This is the only one that has made any headway with me recently. I have had several "Come to Jesus" meetings with various family members, and this is the one point where the "NEW LIGHT" argument doesnt get thrown in my face.
I told my family members that based on my own personal experiences as an elder and an incident within my own family where a loved one was abused, those were enough to disgust me. Once I read several of the court cases that Barbara Anderson posted on her site, I have several more round of ammo to use. Several of my family members are at least considering the information i have shared and at least have an understanding of why I feel the way I do. I still get the "wait on Jehovah" argument at times, but not very strong. If holy spirit appoints men, why do they bounce pedophiles around to other halls like the Catholic Church has been skewered for?
LeavingWT is right, and I have used the S-L-O-W approach as well. If you come out both guns blazing, you might cause way too much damage. I have had to back way off a couple of times since I hit a few nerves on occasion.
yeartext for 2010 is from the last part of verse 7 and the first part of verse 8 in 1 cor.
13 7:8.. "love endures all things.
love never fails.".
Yeartext for 2010 is from the last part of verse 7 and the first part of verse 8 in 1 Cor. 13 7:8.
"Love endures all things. Love never fails."
I love the irony of the new year text. I saw the latest WT study edition and there it was.
I have used 1 Corinthians 13 so much lately to argue how UNLOVING the organization is.......
I have compared a couple of local elders as "loud clashing cymbals" and have told a couple of others that i think the elders as a whole are trained by the Society (TM) to be condescending and unloving toward the Friends (TM)
The WT spin on this scripture pisses me off - to me it comes down to:
Love = Total Obedience to the WTS
catching up on some of the posts a thought came to mind..... .
if an elder or ms wants to step down, what is the process?
can it be as simple as saying "i need to step down" without having to supply an explanation?.
Its a fairly easy process.
You can offer your resignation verbally or in writing. The paperwork aspect is handled by the BOE and submitted to the Society.
Like Oompa said, you usually have to give a half-truth as to why you are resigning.
I wish I would have used the following method:
i can scarcley believe my eyes.
i read in another thread about c. t. russells attitude that his 'studies in the scriptures' is better than the bible and come to the conclusion they are not god abandoned today, god was never there.. fast forward to modern times and they are still at it, likening their body of teachings as being part of the bible.. most of you already know the pasages in their own lit that i refer to, i'm just stating my feelings as i dismantle a 38 year old belief system.. it seems to me, that all along, the belief of the watchtower society is this: our writings are true, they are backed up by the bible.
rather than, the bible is true, backed up by our writings.. disapointed.
Our writings are true, they are backed up by the bible. Rather than, the bible is true, backed up by our writings.
Isnt that the "truth"?
One of my big awakenings was "Well, it seems like lately it has been more about the WTS than the Bible."
Then, once I stepped back and actually studied everything with a critical eye, I realized it has ALWAYS been that way. They dogmatically push the fact that they are God's voice on this earth. You reject them, you reject God. You disobey them, you disobey God. You don't peddle enough magazines and get enough field service hours, you are not doing enough for God.
The springboard for me was the pedophilia cases - I have seen way too many people in my life deeply affected, and the lack of love and respect for these poor victims by the WTS and their elders made me want to vomit. I resigned as an elder since I refused to handle those cases the way the WTS wants people to - sweep it under the rug. They care more about the organization than the people in it - then use the guise of "well, we dont want to bring dishonor to Jehovah's name." Sorry fellas, but you are already doing a damn fine job in that department!!
I am in the same age bracket (mid to late 30's) and am breaking apart the "strongly entrenched things" day by day.
just found out that there is a sex offender in my hall.
the "brother" that i was with said " the brothers will make sure that he is not put with any kids in service".
wtf !!!!
I HATE hearing stuff like this.
Most elders are naive idiots if they think "Oh, well he cant work with kids in service" is enough to stop these sick bastards.
If the predators dont get them out in service, they will get them another way - babysitting, befriending families in the hall, etc.
We had the old "Grandpa" type elder who loved the little girls. We had the middle-aged guy who was everyone's "Uncle" who liked the little girls. I wish someone would have known because those MF-ers ruined so many young girls that I grew up with. Of course, one girl came forth and was threated with disfellowshipping for slander (13 years old - my heart still breaks for her)
I have not heard of many cases where these people can be rehabilitated. In my opinion, 99% of them cannot. They should be castrated or better yet, removed from the gene pool.
The only way to protect the kids is to shout it from the rooftops - if I was a JW again and it happened in the congregation, I wouldnt care if they disfellowshipped me because everyone in the congregation would know there is a molester among them.
hey folks, someone sent me this link by this writer who claims to have traveled to an alternate dimension where the beatles never broke up.
he posted the whole album to download.. i doubt the story obviously but since there's alot of beatles fans on the board i figured i'd share it with all of you.
at the very least it's a pretty good sound-alike band.. http://www.thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&itemid=53.
At the very least it's a pretty good sound-alike band.
A lot of it is lifted from all of the solo albums. I listened to the first track and started laughing.
At least someone has a vivid imagination!
I was talking to a friend yesterday. We still marvel at the quality and quantity of work they did in just over 7 years. Most bands take 3-4 years to do an album now. Those guys busted one out every few months and a great portion of the work is considered classics.
