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Paradise through Science!
Thats the same promise that dealer on the corner made me! Maybe I shoulda believed him??
AdaMakawee
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Thank God for the E-Apostates and Satan's Internet! Thanks ALL of you!
by cyberjesus inso many of you come here for recovery and some of you that are almost healed keep coming here and post all this articles and your letters and all the research and your experiences and in several post i have read that if only one person reads it and gets out of the borg then the time spent is worth it.. well i am one of those people.
i read this website and jwr and freeminds.org and jwfacts and thanks to all your posts and all the time you spent researching and posting and writting and even debating those jws that come to the board from time to tieme, thanks to your time spent my life or the remaining of it has been recovered.. so thank you all of you!
it doesnt matter what you believe right now.
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Inability to develop close connections with others
by Lemon_Lime_Shasta inhi all, i'm still pretty new here, but i wanted to talk about something more substansive than low quality generic soda brands (my first post and my logon name).. of all the negative side effects of my dub past, the one that still haunts me the most is my complete inability to develop any sort of depth in my relationships with others.
i'm not one to blame all my personal problems on the wbts, but i can't help but feel that it was a significant contributing factor.
i still hate talking about my past, and i work very hard to hide all aspects of my jw past from anyone i meet.
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AdaMakawee
Hey Shasta,
Boy do I understand this dilemna! I grew up in a tiny mountain town in NW Montana US, we were not considered good association because my dad didn't (then) attend meetings. The other witness families were not allowed to associate with us, nor were we allowed to talk to anyone from school after (on the way home) or at any other time than during classroom situations.My parents were fanatical and we were raised on fear and intimidation and constantly told that we were nothing but that if we went out into the world satan would get us if the evil people out there didn't do it first.
So consequently I find it extremely difficult to talk to people, I just can't seem to make a connection. Even with people here on JWN. I don't know why, but people just don't take to me. I don't know if I come off as stand-offish, mean, flaky, or what, but I never seem to have people want to engage.
I call it being socially retarded, though that isn't PC I suspect. The older I get the more I like my dog! If you find a cure please do tell.
Ada
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So If Someone's been Pagan they can't be RE-instated???
by ziddina ini noticed this comment by awen on cyberjesus' thread about needing help because the elders were going to call and he wanted to perform an intervention.... awen wrote: "i was informed by one of the elders (not the po, but someone with "pull") that because i had been involved in paganism after i was disfellowshipped, that i would have to wait longer for reinstatement than for the immorality i was originally dfed for 10 years before that.
i pleaded my case that i was no longer practicing that and had been out of it for a year prior to seeking reinstatement and that it shouldn't matter.
i came to learn from this elder that because of my pagan practices, in his opinion i would never be reinstated....".
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AdaMakawee
Some feel to be pagan is to have satan deep within us, demonized. My mom tells everyone that I'm demonized because I'm pagan. As long as they have that superstition it could take a long time.
Ada
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don't cha just feel the love
by booby intwo comments from a yahoo group.
i deal with depression myself so i can understand what you and your son .
deal with.
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AdaMakawee
One of the last meetings I ever attended had a talk given by a pos ministerial servant dumb as a box of rox, if it weren't for his family he wouldn't have been qualified to run the mikes. Anyway, his talk was on depression. He opined there are two types of depression. "Real" depression, where you lose a loved one in death, or where something catastrophic happens. -or- the fake kind, where you have the blues for no good reason. In the one case time and the old sky god will cure it. In the other case you need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and quit whining and get on with your life, after all, how dare we say we have faith if we can't even kick the blues.
Yes, stirring, wasn't it? The depths of the lack of knowledge never ceases to amaze me.
Ada
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No windows
by BlackSwan of Memphis ina couple years back i read posts re the lack of windows in the kh.
i think at the time i was still so close to the situation that i thought it was a bit extreme and surely it couldn't be anything like it was being made out to be: conspiracy on the part of the organization.. flash forward to recent days.
i have been attending our local unitarian universalists church (or universalist unitarian?
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AdaMakawee
The thing I liked about UU was that you don't have to agree with them to go there, and you can go as long as you like. They don't ever disfellowship anyone or try to convert them to a particular viewpoint. Not only that, but when I went (a few times a few years ago) I took a tour of the kid's area and saw what they were teaching them in Sunday school. They spend (at least in that particular church/congregation) about a month learning about one religion of the world. They learn beliefs, customs, do artwork as if they were a believer, and as such learn diversity to other thought patterns. There was no attempt to make that particular belief system look bad for some reason. It also impressed me that athiests and agnostics both attended services there.
The divinity of Jesus was never an issue for me, I think he was a wise man like buddha and others, but not god. Anyway, the UU here where I live is waaaay too boring for me, they run it more like a Lutheran service. Put me right to sleep. So I no longer attend. They have to at least hold my attention.
As to the lack of windows thing, I think that was more a US thing, and I really think it originated from a time when they were vandalizing KHs. I remember ours being hit with graffitti, etc when I was a kid. The KH was located smack dab in the middle of a neighborhood and the kids didn't like it being there.
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How do elders step down?
by BlackSwan of Memphis incatching up on some of the posts a thought came to mind..... .
if an elder or ms wants to step down, what is the process?
can it be as simple as saying "i need to step down" without having to supply an explanation?.
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AdaMakawee
Well....
"Elders and ms cannot just walk away. There is that further element of control that the Organization has."
Never thought I'd be thankful for "just" being a sister.
Ada
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For Any Lurkers Thinking of Joining JWN (don't be scared)
by AllTimeJeff inhere are some good things to think about.
(disclaimer: i have thrown in the occasional sarcastic barb for spice, but mean no disrespect...).
you are wanted here.
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AdaMakawee
how do you think I got my new toaster oven?
lol
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Pls advice, shall I take the flu injection tomorrow or not???
by Newborn ini had decided to take it but now i've read some more about it and now i've no clue...my appointment is tomorrow.
i'm 35 and healthy other wise so i'm not in the risk group.. thanks.
newborn.
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AdaMakawee
Ok I see that you are not in the high risk group due to age, sorry. I have asthma so I am, but they never had any in time for me to avoid this.
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Pls advice, shall I take the flu injection tomorrow or not???
by Newborn ini had decided to take it but now i've read some more about it and now i've no clue...my appointment is tomorrow.
i'm 35 and healthy other wise so i'm not in the risk group.. thanks.
newborn.
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AdaMakawee
Are you talking about the seasonal flu or swine flu (I haven't read both pages). I currently have swine flu, and after a quick trip to urgent care on Monday night, apparently close to pneumonia. Been on steriods, some serious antibiotics, and cough meds ever since. Been off work for two weeks. This is nasty and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. This is also a pandemic. If you are in a high risk group please do consider getting the shot.
Ada
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AdaMakawee
yea, one tequila, two tequila, three tequila FLOOR.
At least thats what I have always heard.