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  HELP!! Just Woken Up - Fanatical Mom wants to report me

  by Scarlett_Martin in

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  2. experiences

  i've just been introduced to this site by a pimo friend of mine.

  this will be my first post on this website.

  i need help, and he told me you guys are a very supportive community.. i'm a female in my mid twenties.

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  You may not have much option about meeting with the Elders, they can be difficult to put off. Strongly consider getting some mental health counseling, it's out there and it cannot only be helpful it may be able to point you to useful resources. Also, if you are receiving counseling it may put some constraints on the Elders that are dealing with you, they don't like getting into those kinds of issues. Do not tell anyone you are going to get counseling before you start it. Call the Suicide Help line even if you are not feeling suicidal, make sure you let your Mother know you called after the fact, it could back her off some. Reading Crisis of Conscience by Franz is an excellent suggestion because it will give you a real frame of reference to back up the other things you have learned and will learn.. His second book is also good but a bit heavy.
  

  If you want to stay at home for a while you're going to need to be crafty. Remember YOU DO NOT NEED TO PLAY BY THEIR RULES! Tell them you read about this stuff because a coworker told you about it. Tell them you are depressed, confused and troubled. Tell them you don't know how all these things can be. Tell them you need help. Ask for their help! Tell them you feel lost. Tell them you think you need a Bible Study. Make all the right sounds, appear to make all the right moves and slowly but steadily prepare yourself for separation. Get your finances under control, develop a plan and a schedule. When you do move out make sure you end up in another Congregation's territory because it will be much easier to fade there than in your current Congregation.

  Your alternative is to make a clean break now through confrontation and defiance which will be more painful, have more impact on your family relationship, at least in the short term, but will also be of shorter duration. It doesn't sound to me like you are currently prepared to make a clean break but it is certainly entirely your decision, the first of many decisions you will make on the road to freedom. Remember, remember, remember DO NOT PLAY BY THEIR RULES! You owe them nothing.

  Yes, I used to be an Elder so I know how this works.
  
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  Do You Think All These Organized Demonstrations Are Productive?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from washington state to new york city to atlanta and california and so on, you see thousands of demonstrators trying to get rid of police, statues, monuments and anything they consider racially biased.. do you think this type of activity and destruction is working well for the country and it’s law abiding citizens?

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  They've murdered something like 18 police officers and injured hundreds of others. They've murdered other innocents as well. They've done hundreds of millions of dollars worth of property damage and absolutely ruined the lives of many business owners. They have not achieved one thing that is positive for the minority community. They completely blew up any shred of legitimacy in their pursuit, by their own admission and in their own words, of cultural Marxism. What they have done is nauseate and anger a very large percentage of the population, as well as expose prominent politicians who are supporting and enabling their use of violence in support of Leftist ideology.
  
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  Do You Believe Polls Saying Trump Will Lose To Biden?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  a new fox poll says biden is up by 12 percentage points.

  of course, most other polls say trump will be trounced this time around.. do you think the polls might be right this time?

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  The polls you are seeing invariably poll the general populace or registered voters instead of likely voters which leads to inaccuracy, they also relentlessly over poll Democrats by about 17%, as well as over polling women who have a tendency to vote Democrat. They are not remotely reliable. These are the same sources that said Hillary had a 92% chance of winning.
  
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  Black people attacking whites in the US

  by JoenB75 in

  1. social
  2. current

  i see a lot of shocking videos on social media about gangs of blacks attacking white people.

  how big is the problem really and what is done about it?.

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  Absolutely correct there is an enormous amount of black on white violence. In general black on white crime is ten times greater than white on black. DOJ numbers also show that the 6.5% of the population that is black male commits 36% of homicides.
  
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  Article: What Is The Clergy-Penitent Privilege And How Can It Protect Sex Offenders?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.oxygen.com/the-witnesses/crime-news/how-clergy-penitent-privilege-may-protect-sex-offenders.

  how clergy-penitent privilege may protect sex offenders | crime news.

  it’s a practice that is centuries old: confessing one’s sins to a trusted clergy member.

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  The Courts have held that the Clergy Penitent privilege does apply to Witnesses. You might not like it but that's a fact. Until that changes, which is unlikely because precedent has been set, you can mumph all you want about how wrong it is but it won't make any difference.
  
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  Would You Ever Go Back To The Witnesses??

  by minimus in

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  every once in a while you hear people say they actually “miss” their old witness friends and or family.

  some would have even stayed in the organization if they became a bit more liberal and open minded.

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  If they would let me change the face of the Organization, which I believe I could do with about two articles in the Watchtower, I would consider it. There are a lot of nice people in the Organization and there is an attractive sense of community so if that could be focused for good it would be worthwhile.
  
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  JW views on saving and retirement

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  probably one of the most common causes of cognitive dissonance many jws face is the choice to plan for retirement.

  if you're a good jw, then you should believe that the end will be coming soon, surely before you retire.

  that's what i did when i was younger, blowing decades that could've been better spent because i believed the end was coming, so any planning was a waste of time.

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  In my experience only the dumb and the undisciplined actually practice the "relying" thing. I've know COs that had accumulated pretty nice portfolios over the years but they tended to only discuss it with people that had done similar things.
  
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  Pinch Point

  by Solzhenitsyn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as jw elders what were the biggest frustrations we personally had?.

  i hated rank and file members who i couldn't humble..

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  The monumental ignorance of many of the flock who didn't know even JW doctrine much less any broader view of theology, history or much of anything else but viewed themselves as vastly superior to any none Witness they met and who could all sing the "we are really wonderful" song with great gusto and persistence.
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  Are You “Woke”?

  by minimus in

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  are you part of the “woke culture”?.

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  As soon as someone declares they are a SJW you know you are dealing with an arrogant, self-righteous condescending jackass who is determined to be unreasonable and illogical no matter what the facts.
  
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  Generally Speaking Do You Support The Police?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know bad cops exist in many cities.

  i know some cops who aren’t “bad” but do have an attitude.

  however, i prefer to have law and order as opposed to chaos.

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  I absolutely support the police. The number of bad actors is minuscule and the anti-police propaganda is ridiculous.