My wife had to take the shot. Thankfully, the elder she spoke to knew that this was a 'conscious matter' (meaning of course, you can do it). She had to get the shot for both her pregnancies and she had two beautiful baby girls.
garyneal
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Jehovah's Witnesses and the Rh Factor
by Dogpatch injehovah's witnesses and the rh factor.
written by marlene mercado wednesday, 31 january 1996; revised 2012. .
i want to share with our readers an experience i had when two jehovah's witness elders came to my home to enlighten me regarding the new "technology" that allows for the taking of certain blood fractions with a clean conscience.
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CRAZINESS!!! I'M BEING 'MARKED' FOR GOING TO COLLEGE!!!
by MsGrowingGirl20 inohmygosh!!!
one of my friends who is a ms told me today that the elders have 'marked' me because i'm a reg.pioneer and i've decided to go to college next semester???!
he said he can't tell me anymore but to be careful---what the hell does 'mark' mean?
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garyneal
What does the IFB church teach that differs from what Jehovah's Witnesses teach, @garyneal?
Well, doctrinally speaking, there are things that the IFB church teaches that differ from the witnesses but there are also a lot of similarities doctrinally.
However, the doctrines are not the main reasons why I get those same eery feelings at the Kingdom Halls that I use to get in an IFB church. Both the witnesses and the IFB's basically teach a lot of rules that tend to go above and beyond the Bible, and these rules change frequently or they apply special exceptions in certain cases or when it pertains to certain people.
You see an elder that has a college degree as being a hypocrite if he should make inquiry as to the decision to go to college, but I do not. The elder that makes such an inquiry should be doing this out of concern for the person's spiritual welfare, especially if the person will be leaving the congregation to attend college, and the can certainly be of help to the person in finding and getting situated with a congregation near the college that they will be attending since it is a fact that meeting attendance can and does suffer a little when one is enrolled as a full time student in college.
While I can see your point and if indeed the elder was sincerely trying to find a KH close to the college, I suppose that may be ok. But if the elder kept pushing meeting attendance and kept saying that I needed to make all my meetings, I may find it a little unrealistic given the circumstances. If said elder had a college degree then I would be curious what he did while in college. If he got his degree before he came into the 'truth' then I would not even qualify him to be my 'judge.'
You see, the IFB churches have a tendency to discourage secular education too in favor of going to Christian colleges and Bible colleges. One pastor even stated that he hoped that a the young girls going to church would eventually go to Bible college and become preacher's wives. At least they don't harass you if you do choose to attend college though, unless of course it hinders you from attending church Sunday morning, Sunday nights, and Wednesday nights and soul winning.
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Explain in a FEW word's why the 607 date is incorrect.
by XPeterX in"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it wel enough" albert einstein.
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garyneal
I can go to any encyclopedia and prove that Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th. This is the line often used by Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that Christmas is NOT a Christian holiday. Yet, those same encyclopedias cannot be trusted when it comes to the date of Jerusalem's desolation because they all disagree with the Watchtower's date of 607 B.C.E..
Think of it this way. Christian who learns that Christ was not born on 12-25 goes and tells his preacher this new found information. Adament preacher insists that it is in spite of all contrary evidence (those encyclopedias). Witness who learns that 607 is not the date of Jerusalem's desolation and goes and tells the congregation elders this new found information. Adament elders insist that it is in spite of all contrary evidence (those same encyclopedias).
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How do you study the Bible? (for those that do)
by Silent_Scream inwhat have you found is a productive way for you to study the bible?
do you have a group?
or a solitary preference?.
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garyneal
Right now, I just read it straight through. Sometimes slowly, sometimes in an attempt to catch up with my "read the Bible in a year" plan.
Occasionally, I come across some very interesting bits that on the surface contradict religious teachings. Like Samuel being channelled by a spiritualist for Saul after Samuel's death (wait a minute, I thought the dead was conscious of nothing after death and I thought spiritualists can only contact demons), or Jehovah, Yahweh, or the LORD sending an evil spirit onto Saul (why is HE sending the evil spirit?) that only David can heal.
I read Bible commentary on it but it inevitably goes above and beyond what is written to explain it. (Like the spiritualist channeled Samuel because God allowed it, where is that written in the passage? Or, the spiritualist REALLY channelled a demon and not Samuel, sorry the passage gave no indication of the being talking to Saul was anyone other than Samuel).
I also read somewhere in 1st Kings where Elijah was called into Heaven. Hmmmm, Jehovah's Witnesses teach that ONLY the 144,000 go to Heaven and that the calling of the 144,000 did not begin until AFTER Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection.
Makes you think.
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The "worlds" view of the preaching work- pretty accurate
by stuckinamovement intrue story ........so i was standing in line at the hardware store yesterday, picking up some garden stuff and happened to catch the conversation in front of me.
the man in front of me was buying a no soliciting sign.
the checker asked "who is this for, girl scouts?
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garyneal
You know, this never dawned on me but I recall talking to my wife about how the world generally views witnesses. "Those people who don't take blood, celebrate Christmas, and go door to door." She agreed that that summed up most people's view of them.
So much for the preaching work...
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I am tempted to ask 25 year old very pretty lady out but.....
by Iamallcool inshe has 4 kids.
the father of her kids sees them every two weeks.
i am not sure if it is a good idea for me to ask her out.
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garyneal
I have two kids and I can tell you that there is no time for romance or anything serious. When I was younger I would never date a woman with kids of her own.
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My personal thoughts on Ray Franz
by Terry inthe death of ray franz hit me harder than i would have thought.. i had to reflect for awhile....alone......and quietly.. .
after all, fine people die every day and some of them are indispensable, yet, we go on....don't we?.
but, ray franz was something that can only be described in the phrase sui generis (one of a kind).. my task was to ask myself what it was that made ray so singular, potent and admirable without a trace of scandal or ill will attached to his memory.. .
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garyneal
excellent
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Are You Ready for The Memorial?
by OnTheWayOut init's this week, folks.
i thought i might give you a new thread to vent on.
many on our forum still go to the memorial or have to answer to family about not going.
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garyneal
If it makes you feel any better your wif probably isn't angry with you as such for not keeping the kids quiet, much more likely she is worried about what others are thinking as some in the hall rule over their kids to be good little quiet robots! Sad but true.
Thanks Inisc and venetian,
My wife laments now being so harsh with me that Sunday. I talked to some of the other witnesses after the meeting and they did not think we were that bad at all. Even the babysitter said, "I serve Jehovah, not other people," which I thought was a good way to look at it.
Never-the-less, the damage is done.
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So what do your Jehovah's Witness friends and loved ones think of the generation teaching?
by garyneal inafter the little skit at the last assembly where one brother was asking another for understanding about the generation teaching i thought, "wow, these people will believe anything the watchtower tells them.
" the 'more mature brother' practically said verbatim everything the watchtower said as his explanation.
evidently, this is one of the sources of the increased 'murmuring' that the talked warned against.. so, has anyone brought this up to their witness friends and/or family?
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garyneal
Thanks for the responses. It is hard to believe that perfectly reasonable people (otherwise) would just accept this doctrine (or pretend to) without question. The irony is that if another church preached something similar, they would be too quick to label it false teachings. If anyone has not yet read Captives of a Concept, I highly recommend it. It illustrates this point very well.
In regards to the fear of dying and uncertainty, I can understand why they may feel this way to a point. I just see, as leavingWT pointed out, that they are truly trapped in the belief that going to the kingdom halls is the only way to serve God. I won't defend Christianity but many Christians believe that they simply need to believe in Christ sans the church. My wife pointed that out in our conversation when she told me that during her field service she would encounter a lot of householders who believed in God but did not believe in having to attend church regularly.
But, I can understand somewhat, myself and a bunch of former IFB's are talking now about when we decided to leave those churches and why? They preach similarly that you must be in church (their church) to be in a good place with God. The fallout of that cult is just like the fallout of this one.
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So what do your Jehovah's Witness friends and loved ones think of the generation teaching?
by garyneal inafter the little skit at the last assembly where one brother was asking another for understanding about the generation teaching i thought, "wow, these people will believe anything the watchtower tells them.
" the 'more mature brother' practically said verbatim everything the watchtower said as his explanation.
evidently, this is one of the sources of the increased 'murmuring' that the talked warned against.. so, has anyone brought this up to their witness friends and/or family?
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garyneal
They don't know everything and are trying to do what they are told to do
Is he saying that the GB was trying to do what they are told? That sounds pretty odd.