how many on this board are: a) christains--not a jw b) jehovah's witnesses c) do not believe in god d) have a belief in god but just not active in anything right now.
i'm new to the board and was curious as to everyone's standing.
i'm 30, a christain, i left the jws 3 years ago (after being in it for 21 years) to follow jesus and heard of, among other good things, this great thing called: grace!
Vienna--hello & welcome to the forum,
I admire any JWs who come to this board--seems hard to put up with a lot of the comments here.
I admire former JWs coming to this board separated from family and loved ones because of the abusive treatment of the Watchtower Society.
I believe in things provable. I don't believe in the fairy tales of others--what does that make me?
most of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
Most of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against God. Even if many of you are right in saying that the JWs are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right. So unless you are convinced that there is no biblical God you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the Lord comes during your lifetime. If you’re convinced there is no biblical God then I guess you’re okay if you end up being right.
The problem you apostates face either way is this: You are taking one heck of a risk and the consequences for failure could not be greater.
I agree Vienna--the above insults should not be posted! There are many former JWs in the process of healing from the abuse of the Watchtower Society on this forum. Why should they be subjected to the above abuse? Like most victims coming out of abusive relationships, victims of spiritual abuse are apt to strike out at abusers. When that happens, it's a shame others use religion trying to make the abused feel guilty.
I've seen many Witnesses exiting the Tower treated with kindness and love on this forum. However, when someone starts off a thread like the quote above, don't expect ex-Witnesses to take crap, and be nice. They did that for years as JWs, and don't need to continue acting dysfunctional anymore. Jehovah's Witnesses are welcome to post honest questions, and they'll be treated with kindness. But when a person acts like a jerk, they should be treated like a jerk; otherwise how do they learn acceptable behavior--how do they grow by getting away with treating others disrespectfully?
as the last days wind down to their dramatic conclusion, prophecies that were heretofore obscure, over time have now come more sharply into focus.
one such prophecy that bears review is the oft-quoted verse concerning the "increasing of lawlessness.
" typically the watchtower has pointed to increasing criminal lawlessness in the world as evidence of the fulfillment of that particular feature of the sign of christ's imminent arrival.
As the last days wind down to their dramatic conclusion, prophecies that were heretofore obscure, over time have now come more sharply into focus.
Yeah, for those with 20/20 vision, and without Watchtower glasses, things are very clear and sharply in focus:
Don’t miss Jehovah Will Murder Billions
most of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
G_k,
One of the most loving things a person can do for another is be honest. If someone acts like a jerk, call them a jerk. Perhaps they'll learn to treat others with respect if they wish to be respected. That's honest, and perhaps the most loving thing one can do for another. I sincerely wish the best for people, but that doesn't mean I need to put on some false pretence (like turning the other cheek) if someone insults others or my intelligence. Get real, and be honest--that's love far better than the Watchtower's conditional love!
most of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
Mishnah said,
Most of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against God.
Yeah I agree, the above stuff is "negative, hateful, and blasphemous against God," but what do you expect from a religion praying that God will soon murder billions?
hey all,.
having been around the internet for about 7 years now and spent many years on h2o i have observed the activity of fred hall and you know both there and here.
people are of course free to do whatever they want, but personally i don't understand why anybody will bother with these two "village idiots".. why not ignore them completely.
FredHall said,
I think it's stupid to have breast implants. I true woman is what is in the inside not on the outside.
logical--if that's the most insightful comment from FH, it only proves the point I made. However, I admit, the above post is more articulate than most--how sad!
hey all,.
having been around the internet for about 7 years now and spent many years on h2o i have observed the activity of fred hall and you know both there and here.
people are of course free to do whatever they want, but personally i don't understand why anybody will bother with these two "village idiots".. why not ignore them completely.
Hello Norm,
I agree with Alan, sometimes I just can't help putting up my little "The End" poster up when these "village idiots" stagger on-line. I just ran a "STATS" search and see that FH has posted more than anyone on the forum in the past 7 days, with 92 posts. Can anyone point out 1 post in his history on H2O or here that is insightful or in some way shows intelligence beyond that of a moron? Ninety-two posts in the past 7 days, that's like someone passing gas 92 times! After 1 or 2 farts, it gets a little weary.
YK is a nut case of another caliber. He's smart enough to know better, but too mean-spirited to be normal. By "normal" I mean a person who truly cares for others, is willing to become part of humanity without wishing others were dead because they don't share his world view as painted by the Watchtower or other fringe group. In the past 7 days, YK has posted 34 times--nearly every post is filled with hate and desire to see billions murdered; he's not a nice person.
it has occurred to me recently, that a lot of the behavior of jws in good standing is done to trick themselves and others into thinking they're normal.
when in fact, they're not.. example:.
when a young jw man goes to a 'gathering' he will drink one beer loudly and proclaim how good cold beer is!
Hi Tina,
Did the attorneys at least buy ya a cuppa joe for that info? I hope so. With admiration and Hugs,Tina who bets that Java can be found in the hospital coffee shop/cafeteria
I've known the legal staff at the hospital for years--they love to bill, but can't figure out how to pay off informants. You bet, I usually have a cup of coffee with me during meetings at the hospital and college. Our college president calls me "the coffee dean," and I'm sure a few see me in the cafe with a cup of java, too.
Hey there larc,
Sometimes, someone is in the right place at the right time.
As a little follow up, I didn't know about this hospital program of religious groups addressing their needs as patients. As you know, I'm usually at the college, but had a meeting at the hospital that day. While on the way, I saw three guys that looked like JWs in a hallway, and was fairly sure I recognized one of them when I gave talks at his congregation years ago. They went into the hospital auditorium, so I followed behind to see what was happening. (Couldn't help myself.) About a 100 people were already there, and I asked one of the doctors I recognized what's going on. (I never made it to the department hospital meeting.) You're right, I was in the "right place at the right time" or in this case, the wrong place at the right time.
it has occurred to me recently, that a lot of the behavior of jws in good standing is done to trick themselves and others into thinking they're normal.
when in fact, they're not.. example:.
when a young jw man goes to a 'gathering' he will drink one beer loudly and proclaim how good cold beer is!
Why is it, do you think, JW conciously KNOW they are supposed to be different from the world, yet they make every effort possible to play down their differences when questioned about them?
That’s an interesting question, and seems to be a quirk many cult-like religions have. A few years ago the JW Hospital Liaison Committee addressed an audience of health care professionals at the teaching hospital where I work. The spokesman painted the Witnesses as “A religion spreading the good news of God’s Kingdom.” The fact is, it’s a religion based on fear and control, which believes God is going to murder billions of people who don’t sell Watchtower magazines. However, in order to appear normal, they present themselves as a religion spreading God’s Word, when in fact they pray for a holocaust of the worst kind.
I was standing in back of the auditorium (about 100 people were there) when this group started their little spill. During the Q&A period I raised my hand (the group didn’t know me) and asked, “How would your religious community treat a Jehovah’s Witness who knowingly accepted a blood transfusion?” After a long pause the guy said, “A Jehovah’s Witness would not ask for a blood transfusion.” I said, “Well, lets say a Jehovah’s Witness was dying and needed a blood transfusion to save his life, and he accepted this life-saving procedure. Now lets say a member of your Hospital Liaison Committee found out about this and reported it to the congregation elders; how would your religious community treat a member who willingly accepted a blood transfusion?” The guy became angry and said, “We didn’t come here to have our religion attacked.” At that point the three JWs left the auditorium. So much for appearing NORMAL!
BTW, the JW Liaison Committee was not invited back again when the hospital had various religious groups present their special medical needs. The hospital also stopped calling the JW Liaison Committee when JWs were admitted as done in the past. This group told the hospital they were pastoral ministers for the Witnesses in the area, and the Witnesses requested their services. In some follow-up meetings I had with the hospital attorneys, I pointed out the main reason they were there was to make sure the JWs didn’t take blood. Of course that raised many legal concerns, so the Liaison Committee stopped getting calls from the hospital. I can't tell you how bad that makes me feel.
brooklyn has really developed manipulation into a fine art.
you see, i didnt have any feeling of self-worth, so i could not imagine how jehovah could ever accept my service to him.. .
paul and all the other idiots that couldnt have a life because of the lack of time are now dead.
Norm,
Thanks for another great post, my friend. I'm certain many appreciate your excellent research and commentary. I've saved several of your posts to share with others. Even if you do mind, I'm doing it anyway.
