My understanding was that to pray for disfellowshipped ones was a sin against the holy spirit, as they were dead in gods eyes. In Gehenna as it were....
Posts by tiki
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by AuntBee ina former member said that elders told a relative of his after she was dfed that they would not be praying for her.
is that some kind of policy, or were they just doing their own thing in that instance?
taot.
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#Persecution selfies: what do you think?
by Diogenesister inso apparently the new watchtower russia exhibition features a pretend cell for jws to take pretend "persecution selfies' and wallow in the glorious suffering that is essential for watchtower theology to work - yet is strikingly missing from the lives of 99% of witnesses.. in fact most governments go to great lengths to protect the rights of witnesses, spending millions in public funds either directly to watchtower - in the form of grants ( norway, germany etc) - in various types of tax relief, or in the money spent in court cases establishing watchtowers rights and freedoms (& protecting their kids, whether they know it or not).. i'm interested to know how everyone feels about this...particularly terry walstrom and other guys who have spent time in jail in the name of watchtower's freedom of conscience.
personally i think it reeks of desperation by watchtower and is another example of the type of fantasizing that witnesses regularly indulge in.. also....funny how the end is soooo close that they've had time to build a museum of watchtower history!!
anyone else see the irony in that?!
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tiki
I find the whole thing sickening and disgusting. This holocaust like day dream they perpetuate on their followers is abusive and damaging. Enough of us have been locked in fear and frozen with anxiety over their torture scenarios...and it is no simple thing to overcome. This sort of thing should not exist. It should be stopped, put an end to...not perpetuated.
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I realize that this is kind of personal, but
by stillin inwhat does being a "spiritual person" mean to you?
the religion would have had us to believe that our place in the organization is definitive of that.
or how often we pray.
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tiki
Beyond physical...inner connection with universal energy...your spirit...the qualities you embrace and express. The love and compassion...your ethics.... Realization that you are human and that there is more than what is tangible. Appreciation that our scope is limited..just a few thoughts on something quite elusive. I do believe love is the key but it gets skewed.
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KURD is the word - and the word is KURD
by Terry inkurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.
once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.
(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.
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tiki
Very interesting reads....I personally am of the mind that it is all about the oil and the money. Warring tribal factions still exist sadly enough.....history is littered with marauding bands and their atrocities. Set them in motion and have them sitting on a resource like black gold and yes....follow the dollar...you got a problem.
As an aside I always thought the king of the north would end up being the Islamic groups and south Christendom.... The hidden reserves, the oil the north rules over.....Isaac vs Ishmael.
If only intelligence, compassion and ethical behaviors could prevail....
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Is this something new?
by Butyoucanneverleave injust heard from a friend who keeps in touch with the jw's.
a person who has been studying found out some things on line about the witnesses and decided to not get baptized and stopped attending the meetings.
she lives with a witness.
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tiki
The witness this person lives with is likely on the carpet too...you can't house a renegade and get away with it, can you?
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Impeach the GB
by lastmanstanding inlet’s get a congress going and impeach the governing bastards..
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tiki
Haha...and Who do you propose replaces the obnoxious octet??
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7 New Files Just Arrived!
by Atlantis in2019--prison witnessing training seminar.
2019--10-14--follow up tp prison witnessing training seminar.
2019--example notice to cease and desist for congregation2019--example notice to cease and desist for watchtower2019--guide to configuring kingdom hall audio and video system computer-s-132-e2019--example midweek meeting schedule-s-140-e2020--example year text-yt20-eall are in this zipped folderhttps://we.tl/t-dheuiguqtf atlantis!
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tiki
So...the cease and desist thing....do they honor only the requests submitted on their approved form or do they also honor Joe Schmoe's handwritten letter saying stay away that he sends to the local cong?
And...dumb dumb dumb....in order to get into a prison to visit I thought they ensured visitors were clean of paraphernalia of a questionable sort....or is it that dopey dubs have gotten on a watch list for having contraband on them when they came apreaching?
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Unique JW Phrases 101
by Solzhenitsyn inwhat unique to jws phrases do you remember?
something fun for those of us taught to speak an entirely unique and pure language.
there have been posts in the past in this forum but perhaps some have new ones after having kept up with jehovah's chariot as the light gets brighter.
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tiki
Is he/she/are they "falling out of the truth"??? Fallout. Odd....(smart thing to do)
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Unique JW Phrases 101
by Solzhenitsyn inwhat unique to jws phrases do you remember?
something fun for those of us taught to speak an entirely unique and pure language.
there have been posts in the past in this forum but perhaps some have new ones after having kept up with jehovah's chariot as the light gets brighter.
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tiki
One especially vile female loved to tout her "Bible-trained conscience". This is what motivated her to do Saturday evening drive-bys to see who was at whose house socializing. And subsequently endeavor to get her gutless elder husband to get his cronies together to launch investigations as to happenings and especially beverage consumption on those occasions.
And the "Bible-trained conscience" is closely related to the "cause for stumbling". The stronger the impelling of that conscience the greater the liklihood of "stumbling" evidently.
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If anyone ever makes the claim that they don't focus on Money ALL the time...
by HiddenPimo ini saw this mentioned on reddit but no link - i found the article form this weeks bible study..... in the “congregation bible study” part of the meeting this week there was a part that said and i quote: “only jehovah god and his son can receive someone into the heavenly kingdom or the paradise on earth under that kingdom.
we should diligently cultivate friendship with them by using what material riches we have in supporting kingdom interests”.
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tiki
But really...isn't it in Isaiah that all the gold and all the silver belongs to God? So why would he want or need human $$ which is basically a means of exchange? And why is it that it is said God is a spirit and you must worship in spirit and truth? No mention of your bank account. Further...what about the worlds destitute population? They must really be doomed. If it takes $$$ those promoted to paradise will have to be exclusively from the well-heeled .....