Posts by babygirl30

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Understanding JW Recruiting Concepts Can Help Others To Leave

by AllTimeJeff in

understanding jw recruiting concepts can help others to leave.

when i first left jehovah's witnesses (jw's), i was somewhat amused at the sheer amount of anti jw websites out there.

while websites like freeminds.org and jwfacts.com are great, (non hysterical sites that stress fact and presentation over emotional responses), there are at least 5 times as many other sites that act as if you should treat a jw at your door like you would a spreader of the ebola virus.. i don't disagree with the fact that jw's are somewhat dangerous and usually go for the low hanging fruit.

babygirl30

Like any sane human, once mistreated sufficiently, prepare for them to take off and spread the word. Dogma isn't the point. No one in my opinion joins or leaves JW's because of the dogma alone. In fact, most leave because being mistreated makes them take a fresh look at the dogma they really never took the time to study and understand in the first place.

That statement alone is the SOLE reason why I decided NOT to get reinstated and started my 'research' on the org and it's history! I was born-in, so I never ever questioned a damn thing: baptized at 14, pioneered, sat at mtgs shaking my head in agreement to what was said from the platform despite it not making sense in my young reasoning mind...but after dealing 1-on-1 with a JC and seeing and feeling SICK over how I was being treated, I decided it was my personal duty to READ as much as I could about JWs. Glad I finally started looking deeper into things, but sad that it took me THIS long (and such a traumatic experience with the elders) before doing all of this...

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Elders wife says being upset with pedophiles in the hall being the same as having to eat sauerkraut and wieners.

by life is to short in

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this couple in our hall an elder and his wife gave us a anniversary gift.

it is a wall hanging that says "as for me and my household sister life is to short and hubby will worship jehovah forever.".

i felt i should send her a thank you card even though i hate the gift.

babygirl30

Wait a minute...this whole 'pedophile' issue has be baffled! So y'all are telling me that a convicted sex offender in the U.S. has to - register within the county they are living in as a 'sex offender', they have to notify their neighborhood of their offense (in certain states), and Meagan's Law requires all of this - YET - JWs org/cong does NOT make this persons 'offense' public within the cong?????

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do NOT get this. If JWs are to follow the laws of the land, and the law demands these perverts be made public, WHY is their standing protectted in the walls of a KHall?

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"It is our Personal Responsibility to Turn In People who are Sinning"

by WalkTall in

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at the last two meetings i have been to, two brothers mentioned in their parts that we have a personal responsibility to turn in someone we know who is involved in wrongdoing.

they both said we need to do this out of love and because we could also lose our own relationship with jehovah if we fail to do so.

it struck how odd this all is.

babygirl30

I can't tell you how this whole 'tattling' mindset forced me to hold onto guilt of the largest kind!!!! Growing up, like many here have said, I was CONVINCED that if someone was doing wrong and I knew about it - but didn't say anything - I was 'guilty' of bloodguilt! That used to EAT away at me for years because if one of my friends was up to no good, I assumed I was responsible for them...

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leaving the wt - why?

by rockmehardplace in

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so for some people, there is the one breaking point that makes people leave.

for me, not so much about doctrine, but about how people treated one another.

i always heard that we show we are the true religion because we have love among ourselves.

babygirl30

I left because I was DF'd...but decided not to go BACK for 2 reasons:

1. Personal - the way I was treated in my JC mtg by supposed 'loving' elders was repulsive...the punishment in no WAY fit my accused 'crime'...and too many people damn near drop their drawrs for a C.O. that is soooo arrogant that he would make Satan weep!

2. Doctrinal - the whole DFing policy is beyond ridiculous and unChristian...the 'change' in many JW policies over the years...and the constant CONTROl - all of which I didn't think was bad until I was out of the fold and able to reason things on my own.

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A term that put me in my cult mind set...but only for a second

by doublelife in

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i was just hanging up my husband's shirts and started on the section where he had his dress shirts.

but what i thought in my head was "meeting shirts.

" and i quickly realized that i have to start saying "dress shirts" instead.

babygirl30

In all honesty, I have a hard time even THINKING about buying 'dresses' because in my head I still have that mentality that dresses = Kingdom Hall!! It's weird too...but that's how it goes in my mind. If i do buy a dress, I will purposely buy one without measuring how 'short' it is, or how high the slit is (within respectable levels at least), and then of course no worry about how 'fitted' it may be!!!!! hhahahahahaha

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Missing meetings due to the weather, and then attending meetings is making me Bipolar I think.

by miseryloveselders in

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without divulging too much information about myself, i'm on the east coast, up north.

we've been hammered by snow storms, and from what i hear we've got another one on the way tommorrow night.

this month, i've missed 4 meetings total.

babygirl30

Thank you white manna from the sky! Thank you arctic cocaine from the heavenly Bolivia

Oh.....my...GOD - THAT was hilarious!!!! LOL. But I feel ya on that whole 'cancellation' issue. I live in the Northeast myself (near Philly) and we have been hit HARD. IT seems like a weekly occurrence that snow is here...and it's getting old now. I want sunshine, I want warmth, and I want to be outside instead of inside. But mother nature isn't playing fair with us.

I remember the days of driving home in a snow storm just WAITING for that phone call that the mtg was cancelled...and on those RARE times that it wasn't, I just didn't GO. But the nights it was, oooooh how sweet to lay up in the house, watch tv (shows I usually missed cause of mtgs), and feel NORMAL doing things everyone else did on mtg nights when I was stuck up in the Kingdom Hall.

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Were you told by JC that God will no longer listen to your prayers?

by Hortenzie in

i was df-ed 3 years ago.

during the process nothing extraordinary happened.

everything proceeded as if according to a script.

babygirl30

I was told the following by the elders in my JC:

1. Being DF'd meant I didn't have Jehovah's holy spirit 'upon' me any longer

2. I am considered 'dead' to everyone IN the org

3. Jehovah no longer listens to my prayers

YET on the flip side...these same elders during the same JC meeting with me, AFTER telling me I was getting DF'd, told me to:

1. Form a close relationship with Jehovah through prayer (direct conflict with #3)

2. Study the Bible and do as much research in JW publications as I can to 'humble' myself and show Jehovah that I was repentant for my sins (direct conflict with #1)

I really believe that the DF policy is so back-asswards that even 5yr olds could reason that much on their own!! If I'm so bad, and I'm dead to everyone including my God - WHY do I need to pray at all? And ask for WHAT???

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I am so angry i want to smack someone around. God damn evil ex...I am ranting!

by Aussie Oz in

i am such a placid person.

i will always turn the other cheek.

i will always be the one to yeild.

babygirl30

I am sooo sorry you are going through this! It's ironic that a religion that screams 'peace and love' - gives their members this bloated RIGHT to raise HELL when deciphering how everyone ELSE should show that peace and love!!! Very sad indeed. <<HUGS>>

Rest assured that although things are rough NOW because of the kids mom (your ex)...in the future they WILL understand all that is going on and will see things for how they are.

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i knew a sister who would have made a wonderfull mum and wife

by looloo in

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but she is now 45 , and has spent all her life sticking to the societys policy of only marrying in the "the truth" i saw her looking at my new baby with such longing and she said her baby would look just like her she was sure !

she has seen all her friends and younger sisters marry and have babys , i dont think she could cope if she knew the sacrifices she has made for the cult were all in vain , i also knew a lady of 86 who was very sweet and "mumsy" i asked why she had no children , she said she was waiting for the "new system" she died at 87 !.

babygirl30

There is a sister my mother 'cares for' and she is now 92yrs old, in stage 4 ahlzheimers, and lives in a nursing home - but she's NEVER been married. Story goes that both her parents were annointed and she cared for them till they passed, then she traveled the world on their money...so she remained a 'childless virgin'!! Not sure if I believe it, but I DO know she never got married and I think that's sad. She is now dying ALONE (short of my mom's attending to her) and I don't consider THAT a happy existence.

Too many sisters I know NOW have worldly men on the low and end up marrying them anyhow...or else they do the whole double-life thing and date the worldly guy whole still upkeeping their JW persona inside the cong. It's SAD!

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metal health problems in the organisation

by looloo in

for "the happiest people on earth" i found so many folk in the cong had depression or suffered with "nerves and axiety" there was one lad who was due to go and "work" in bethel and changed his mind at the last minute and spent nearly all his time on his computer in his bedroom from then on (he must of been on this site !he apparently "went schitsophrenic(dont know how to spell it sorry ) as did his sister and his poor mum was probably the most dedicated dub in the cong but was considered as a bit "bonkers" by all in the cong .

there were 3 elders i know of who had depression and many rank and file , i must admit it did make me question how "happy "being a dub would make me when i was a study and voiced my concerns i was told satan was trying to get them out the truth so they were depressesed or some rubbish like that , but i was also told that people who leave the truth are depressed because they dont have the truth !

you cant have it both ways !

babygirl30

Anything 'positive' (looking) is going to attract those who have major emotional/mental issues - it gives them HOPE and peace of mind! Think about it...all the immigrants that come to the U.S. come for the same reasons: better life, hope, more money, all GOOD things! (give me your tired, hungry, etc). Same thing with the org/cong...they are like MAGNETS to those with issues because it's a haven for them. People will be nice, they are told they won't be judged, they are offered a hope for free (along with clothing, life skills, food, whatever it takes to get them to get baptized), and they are sold the idea of everyone being sooooo happy!!!! My old cong was like the State Hospital - i swear. There were so many people with alcohol, drug, and mental issues that it was downright scarey at times to be cornered by one of those 'friends' and have them try to converse with you...UGH.