Posts by kriptonian7

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Impromptu Survey - 2 Types of Reasons to Leave

by AdaMakawee in

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i was thinking, not counting those who are df'd for "conduct," it seems to me that there are two type of exjws that leave.

by this i mean the ones that woke up and came to their senses while still inside.

1. those who found doctrinal errors and couldn't stay with the lies.. 2. those who found that there was no love and left because of the betrayal of emotions, and realization that by this fruit you knew they were not the ones, their lack of love.

kriptonian7

i just posted something similar to this, but i didnt know this thread Had a where are you now part to it.

I left because of the two faced hypocracy that was going on with my congregation, along with my questioning of some fo the beliefs. i skipped out on my baptism because i had a feeling i was going to be in the situation of DF soon there after. i was datng a girl for over 3 yrs. No sex, no drugs, no smoking, no cigarettes...nothing. She didnt care what religion i was, hell i drug her along to an assembly once so we could hang out on a weekend (pathetic i know)

My best friend, and elders son, knew about us...hung out with us. One day he has this holier than thou brain fart spiritual need for cleansing, and decides he is going to tell his dad that he had sex with some "worldly" girl. Somehow i come up in the conversation. Next thing i know i am a focus of shepherd calls and meetings with the elders. There were two elders that i respected and they wanted to hear my story and actually gave me as much support as they could. the others...wow...So i was in love, i was going to marry this girl. This was real and it was not going away. Really it came down to them givingme an ultimatum. Leave her be and get baptised or they will deem me "bad association" and my mother will be reviewed in her part in this and possible DF could be the answer.

So...i decided to out all of their badd ass children whom i hubg out with all the time. There were maybe 8 of us in the same age group. they all drank...smoked...one did blow...and two pairs of them were sleeping together. They had to know these things...everyone knew this but because they were the elders kids it was looked over. One of the elders had a "worldly" wife! I had a real relationship and a connection with another human on this planet, and they wanted it to end for no good reason they could give me. To keep my mother out of trouble i told them that i was going to end it, and a few weeks later (and some personal one on one bible studies with different elders) I told them i wanted to ge baptised at the up coming assembly. That got them off the twice a week bible studies, and right before i turned 18 i packed my crap up and moved out.

All that combined with they couldnt give me a striaght answer to why the Romans, who crucified people on a daily freaking basis, decided to hang Jesus from a stake. Were they low on beams? Were they trying something new that day?

parakeet -

I suppose I'm closer to reason #1, but the real reason I left was because I couldn't stand the thought of putting my then newborn son through the same kind of childhood I had. I knew then I didn't really believe the dubs and never had. I had just gone along with it the way a child does, unquestioning amd trusting (but in an adult, it's known as braindeath). Only later did I search for doctrinal errors to back up my decision to leave.

My beliefs nowadays are a mixture of Taoism/paganism/atheism.

This has been my thought process too. I almost went back again for my family's sake. And I have been reading alot on Taoism and some buddhism as well trying to find my place now. Im havinig a hard time releasing the idea of a higher power.

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what did you do after leaving or separating from JW's in regards to religion?

by kriptonian7 in

i have been struggling to find my place.

i still consider my self christian...but the more i have been learning about my old faith, its been making me feel like i need to find something else that makes sense to me.. i know im not aethiest.

i have always felt that there was a higher power out there.. agnostic?

kriptonian7

I have been struggling to find my place. I still consider my self Christian...but the more i have been learning about my old faith, its been making me feel like i need to find something else that makes sense to me.

I know im not aethiest. I have always felt that there was a higher power out there.

Agnostic? maybe the closest that i am leaning towards or deitist i think it called. Bible teachings (or stories) are starting to hold less water for me the older i get. Things i have been reading have really made me think about where i am going with what faith i have.

EX: I have begun to dought the existence of Jesus, or at least the story that we all have had pounded into us forever. Maybe its just the shock factor from the info I have been intaking about how his whole life seems to be a retelling of previous prophets or deities and how it all revolves around the sun and its cycles. This has really thrown me especially since i have been trying to be logical with my beleifs...

What direction did some of you go? Christian, buddhist, agnostic, jewish?

Im very curious.

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Superstitions of JW's

by highdose in

can we name them all i wonder?.

kriptonian7

Windchimes are demonic.

Can't go to Salvation Army or St. Vincent De Pauls for clothing-the proceeds may support false religion.

windchimes...awesome! nothing says demon like Wind hitting some pipes. And the salvation army thing...there is a place here called Star of Hope, its a chuch/children shelter. and we used to do a fundraiser for the kids (my karate class) we would do demos and raise the oney and take food and clothes donations. i was counseled about doing this because it was supporting a worldly church. They let it slide chaulking it up to i didnt know they were affiliated with a church... bless them really, they were too good to me...how dare I feed and clothe children...what was I thinking?

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Disfellowshipping by the Jehovah's Witnesses a subjective theory

by The Almighty Homer in

disfellowshipping by the wts.

has been going on now for a very long time within this organization and i just wanted to .

express some of my own personal thoughts on the subject.. taking a look backward at the evolving start of this organization it is plain to see a pattern develop of incoming power, control and divested interests .

kriptonian7

again...more baffling info that would make my family crap their pants if they were to hear any of the information i have been reading.

Disfellowshipping is just a fear tactic. It has kept so many people in a emotional spiritual check and is a form of control..Dont do anythign bad or everone, all the friends, the only friends youre allowed tohave and associate with, and your family memebers will shun you. if youre 18 and havent graduated school...too bad...get out of the hosue and we will never speak to you again..what no job or place to go? Well you should have thought about that before you help hands with that worldly person at school, or joined the foot ball team.

Effin ridiculous, and obsurd

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where does the literal end and the symbolic begin with JW's

by kriptonian7 in

im looking for some new insight on some thoughts of mine.

jw's do not beleive in hell.

hell fire is symbolic i was always taught.

kriptonian7

Im looking for some new insight on some thoughts of mine. Jw's do not beleive in Hell. Hell fire is symbolic i was always taught. its sybolic meaning burned to ash, forever dead, nothing left. people are not tormented in a firery pit, they will just be no more like when you burn something....ok

great...made sense to me

Now when you get into the revelations, suddenly everything becomes literal. Only a certain number go to heaven , we will live forever in paradise on earth, the dead reserected. ect... Too mnay things jsut seem to be made convenient for sake of argument.

Just as some examples. I have been looking around on the itnernet trying to find points in time where desicions were made and how they came to the conclusions of what things in the bible were to be taken literallyand which ones were to be taken as a symbolism. Does that make sense?

Even some of the kid stories seem like they are more symbolic in nature than an actual occurance. Moses and the snakes (by the way confused the hell outta me as a kid because wasnt the snake he made them look at a form of idol??), donkies talking to angels.

thanks peeps

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Has an elder ever made a difference in your life?

by monkeyman in

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ok, i've read a lot of horror stories out there about outrageous shepherding calls so i know they exist.

i've also been on several and received 2.. however, as an elder i thought i was pretty capable at helping people and making a difference in their lives.

i've had people tell me so over and over which was quite comforting to me after i was unceremoniously removed.. so here's my question......has anyone out there ever been the recipient of the kind of loving care from elders that made a positive difference in your life?

kriptonian7

I knew two...They both helped me make a desicion that would have changed my life. They actually were the ones that helped me decide not to go thru with geting baptised. Granted the way i hadled it was a little chicken sh1t but i was 17 18 at the time. i was not ready for that and they knew that i had some changing to do. My desicion to just pull away came from the other elders' and the way they were handling my situation

One was DF because he refused to witchhunt a peson in the congregation that was going thru a divorce. He did not beleive that she should stay with that person, and he after many years of faithful service, and sincere caring for his fellow brothers and sisters was tossed to the curb. Fkn ridiculous.

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Dumbest Awake Title Ever?

by metatron in

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i hold in my hand the nov. awake magazine entitled "technology - blessing or curse?"..

now, i understand the need for balance and moderation in using technology, as the magazine says - but could they come up with a more intelligent sounding title?

it makes the question sound as if abandoning technology might be a solution, a considered choice, a real possibility.

kriptonian7

Kenny G--What is the Bible's View?

he bible does not approve, because he has long hair...like jesus...ooops wait, what?!?

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Fading fast and not sure how to proceed with the JW relatives...

by 2pink in

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firstly, my apologies for all the posts i've written over the past few weeks asking for help with all the issues that come with leaving the wt.

i realize i am all "take" and no "give" at this point, but i'll pay it forward at some later date, i promise!

so, as the title of this thread suggests, i'm fading fast....more disappearing than fading really.

kriptonian7

i guess i got lucky. I skipped out on my baptism and never went back...they attempted to call me a few times and my mother tried to get me to tak to them, but i never did. i think i went to 2 assemblies or so after that and a handful of Memorials for my family's sake. But really in the end it was getting way to much to juggle. My grandparents understood, (then again my grandmother hates everyone JW or not lol) but my mother had a hard time with it. i was never DF'd because i never got baptised, so that helped.

I suggest letting them know ASAP. You know your family better than we do. if you can fade and not get DF'd then that would be optimal i guess that way they will not have to worry about associating with you. I understand the want to make people happy and keep your family from imploding. i was always told that the formula for failure is trying to please everyone.

BUT....your children and your husband are your family, Your first priority. You have to do what is best for them. Again you know your family best. They are going to react to this pretty much the same way if you ease it onto them, or if you just approach it head first. the end result is the same. best to let them get to their final terms with your desicion as fast as they can

. id expect one of these outcomes

1) understand and accept it, be a little weird at first but eventually it will be back to normal. but expect years of invites to meetings and mailed magazines and books.

2) not understand/care to understand and go full blown JW on you and inform the elders and want to talk to you change your mind, threaten you with DF..ect..

or combination of the two. Its a life changing desicion that will stress you out. In told my mother and grandmother that i have not lost what i was taught (i just disregarded the bull) I have love for our creator, and i have a relationship with him that, no matter what their desicion is on how they want to handle me, will always be there. Dont play games with them, all it will do is drag on.

good luck, and be strong

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