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  Studying

  by tattoogrl333 in

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  i flat out asked the jw i'm studying with what she would do if someone was disfellowshipped and she was honest and said she wouldn't talk to them since they wouldn't be good examples of jehovah witness.

  then we started talking about appearances and tattoos, and about my pink hair :) and she said it didn't matter.

  i am enjoying reading and visiting this web site but i am just not seeing the same things you guys have.

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  jayhawk1

  You have not offended me. I know your choice is a hard one. Personally, I did not know that they were that strict. However, I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. Have you asked this sister if you got another tatoo if that would make a difference. Last time I checked, they frown on tatoos, if you are a Jehovah's Witness. If you already have one or several, they know there is nothing you can do about them. I am surprised that she did not have a problem with pink hair, but I suggest if you wanted to get baptised as a Jehovah's Witness, insist on keeping the pink hair. If they don't have a problem with that, then they have changed considerably. After all, I wear a beard, and it almost got me disfellowshipped. The circuit overseer stopped that from happening. Keep in touch with us.
  Jeremy
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  The perfect JW honey trap

  by mauddib in

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  -i'm a jw who has been in the org his entire life.. -i never used a computer except at work to place customer orders.. -my wife buys me an 800mhz system from the neighborhood circuit city store as an anniversary gift.

  says i can research my ministry school talks.

  -i hook it up, it works (!!

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  jayhawk1

  You asked us if we were afraid of the Watchtower, in a previous post.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=8184&site=3

  May I ask, what are you afraid of? My guess would be the real truth.

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  The CO's visit

  by OrangeBlossom in

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  this past week was the visit of our circuit overseer.

  i know what you are thinking so before i post some of his comments that i personally found interesting, i only went to keep peace in the family and not give rise to suspicion about my true feelings.

  so with that said, here are some things that grabbed my attention.. 1) his talk thursday nite was about being successful and how the world's view of success is far different than the organizations.

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  jayhawk1

  Hey RedhorseWoman,
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  I'm sure that this same argument will come up again in the future. Right now, though, it would seem that they are trying to boost numbers with a "grow-your-own-cult-member" scheme.
  When I left 10 months ago, that was what they were saying again. We are so close to the end, just wait to get married in the new system. Maybe that is why I am just not starting to date. GOD WAS I DUMB TO BUY THAT FOR 5 YEARS! {

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  Here is my story

  by Nicolas in

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  2. experiences

  i saw that many person were posting their experience in the jw so i decided to do the same.

  my parents entered in this religion when i was about 3 years old so i grew up as a jw and i couln't participate in the activities, at my school.

  i saw a topic about a giant conspiracy made by the jw and i do believe it can be true because we had this kind of strange experience when my mothers were sick.

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  jayhawk1

  Welcome to the board. I know how you feel about shunning. Although my shunning started before I left the orginsation. I hope you can make friends here. I know I have.

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  Propaganda June 22 Awake!

  by jayhawk1 in

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  i found this jewel on the society's website.

  i thought you might find it interesting.

  now i know how to avoid their propaganda!.

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  jayhawk1

  I am glad you liked the article. The society is always telling its people to avoid propaganda. But they make just as much propaganda as anyone. Like I told others I am sick and tired of them making quotes and never making reference to where they find them. I believe they misquote more frequently than we are aware of. I plan to continue to expose their lies and propaganda, not because I hate Jehovah's Witnesses, but rather protect the innocent.

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  REX B13 - Globes, Balls, Spheres, Circles

  by Amazing in

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  hey rexy boy: you claimed in your 'flat earth' post to alanf that jehovah states in the bible to the hebrews in six (6) places that the earth is a sphere.

  so, i looked this up.

  and to be sure i looked up 'sphere', 'globe', 'ball' and 'circle' and found only two references to 'circle.

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  Rex is just a troll. I am gald you keep trying to hold this person accountable for what he or she says. Just once I would like these people like Rex to back up what they say with real proof. Just like in the Watchtower articles. They make a quote, and never say who said it, so I can verify it for myself.

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  hi!

  by norm67 in

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  a friend told me about this board some months ago, i've been lurking here ever since and really enjoyed it.

  so i thought i might as well register *g*.

  about me: baptized in the 80s, pioneer, ms, the usual stuff...inactive for 3+ yrs now.

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  jayhawk1

  Hi lauralisa and norm67,
  Welcome to the board! I hope you both will be around for awhile. I have found the people here to be helpful to me. At least I now know there are people who have the same background as mine.

  Norm67,
  I understand being paranoid about sharing too much. Sometimes I think to myself, what if somebody who knows me says something to my former Congregation. Then I realize I could care less what they think of me. After all they don't want me around anyway.
  I just wanted to ask, are you related to normie67, or is that just a coincidence?

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  Nature/nurture in homosexuality

  by Introspection in

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  i wanted to ask the gay and lesbian members of the board about the whole nature and nurture issue with homosexuality.

  i suppose when you're looking at things this way it's usually a matter of how the two interact, and not so much that it's x% or all of one or the other.

  but i guess some practical questions are, did you become gay or was it a matter of realizing you were gay all your life?

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  jayhawk1

  I just wanted to check the box so I can get emailed whenever anyone replies to this topic. I find this subject very interesting. I am hetrosexual, and I want to learn about how homosexuals know they are such. It is hard for me to comprehend a person's attraction to the same sex. One thing is for certain. Nobody would choose to be hated, so I know that homosexuality is not something you just choose to be. So I hope nobody takes offence to my comments here. I did not join this forum to cause problems. I joined this forum to learn about other people and to tell myself it is okay to not be a Jehovah's Witness.

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  Daniel chapter 4 "Dishonest interpretati...

  by 2bfound in

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  2. bible

  what is wrong with this picture?

  there are a few verses in the bible that speak of an earthly kingdom with an earthly king that comes into judgment by god but later is restored.

  this is what the text says and this is all that it says.. to infer more is to ask for trouble, confusion, and disharmony of the whole of scripture.. what verses am i referring to?

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  jayhawk1

  Exactly my thoughts
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  I would warn against manipulating the scriptures to fit our own theology, namely to fit a date that has no support in scripture.

  I have always thought the bible should speak for itself. All commentary should be speculation only. If the any religion wants to comment, they should not say this is the truth. Whenever I talk about the scripture I always say this is my opinion. Like in Daniel, my opinion is most if not all of his dreams don't apply to us today. Some applied to Jesus, like the Kingdom. As far as the Earth is concerned, Jesus came here to set up the Kingdom, and then went to heaven to rule in the Celistial Kingdom. Just my opinion only. I don't get worked up over dates, that is where Jehovah's Witnesses make their biggest mistake.

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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  Propaganda June 22 Awake!

  by jayhawk1 in

  1. jw
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  i found this jewel on the society's website.

  i thought you might find it interesting.

  now i know how to avoid their propaganda!.

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  jayhawk1

  I found this jewel on the Society's Website. I thought YOU might find it interesting. Now I know how to avoid their propaganda!

  "A fool will believe anything."—PROVERBS 14:15, TODAY'S ENGLISH VERSION.

  THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. Often their real motives are not apparent. They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target.

  The propagandist makes sure that his message appears to be the right and moral one and that it gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it. You are one of the smart ones, you are not alone, you are comfortable and secure—so they say.

  How can you protect yourself from the types of people that the Bible calls "profitless talkers" and "deceivers of the mind"? (Titus 1:10) Once you are familiar with some of their tricks, you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way. Here are some ways to do this.

  Be selective: A completely open mind could be likened to a pipe that lets just anything flow through it—even sewage. No one wants a mind contaminated with poison. Solomon, a king and educator in ancient times, warned: "Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps." (Proverbs 14:15) So we need to be selective. We need to scrutinize whatever is presented to us, deciding what to accept and what to reject.

  However, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking. How can we find the right balance? By adopting a standard with which to measure new information. Here a Christian has a source of great wisdom. He has the Bible as a sure guide for his thinking. On the one hand, his mind is open, that is, receptive to new information. He properly weighs such new information against the Bible standard and fits what is true into his pattern of thinking. On the other hand, his mind sees the danger of information that is entirely inconsistent with his Bible-based values.

  Use discernment: Discernment is "acuteness of judgment." It is "the power or faculty of the mind by which it distinguishes one thing from another." A person with discernment perceives subtleties of ideas or things and has good judgment.

  Using discernment, we will be able to recognize those who are merely using "smooth talk and complimentary speech" in order to "seduce the hearts of guileless ones." (Romans 16:18) Discernment enables you to discard irrelevant information or misleading facts and distinguish the substance of a matter. But how can you discern when something is misleading?

  Put information to the test: "Beloved ones," said John, a first-century Christian teacher, "do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions." (1 John 4:1) Some people today are like sponges; they soak up whatever they come across. It is all too easy to absorb whatever is around us.

  But it is far better for each individual personally to choose what he will feed his mind. It is said that we are what we eat, and this can apply to food for both the body and the mind. No matter what you are reading or watching or listening to, test to see whether it has propagandistic overtones or is truthful.

  Moreover, if we want to be fair-minded, we must be willing to subject our own opinions to continual testing as we take in new information. We must realize that they are, after all, opinions. Their trustworthiness depends on the validity of our facts, on the quality of our reasoning, and on the standards or values that we choose to apply.

  Ask questions: As we have seen, there are many today who would like to 'delude us with persuasive arguments.' (Colossians 2:4) Therefore, when we are presented with persuasive arguments, we should ask questions.

  First, examine whether there is bias. What is the motive for the message? If the message is rife with name-calling and loaded words, why is that? Loaded language aside, what are the merits of the message itself? Also, if possible, try to check the track record of those speaking. Are they known to speak the truth? If "authorities" are used, who or what are they? Why should you regard this person—or organization or publication—as having expert knowledge or trustworthy information on the subject in question? If you sense some appeal to emotions, ask yourself, 'When viewed dispassionately, what are the merits of the message?'

  Do not just follow the crowd: If you realize that what everybody thinks is not necessarily correct, you can find the strength to think differently. While it may seem that all others think the same way, does this mean that you should? Popular opinion is not a reliable barometer of truth. Over the centuries all kinds of ideas have been popularly accepted, only to be proved wrong later. Yet, the inclination to go along with the crowd persists. The command given at Exodus 23:2 serves as a good principle: "You must not follow after the crowd for evil ends."

  Previously, it was mentioned that the Bible is a sure guide for clear thinking. Jehovah's Witnesses unequivocally subscribe to Jesus' statement to God: "Your word is truth." (John 17:17) This is so because God, the Author of the Bible, is "the God of truth."—Psalm 31:5.

  Yes, in this age of sophisticated propaganda, we can confidently look to Jehovah's Word as the source of truth. Ultimately this will protect us from those who want to 'exploit us with counterfeit words.'—2 Peter 2:3.

  Appeared in Awake! June 22, 2000

  "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford