according to jw media, baptism "symbolizes one's dedication to god".. on this basis, a jw's allegiance and obedience is to god.
thus, the article goes on to state:jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures.
, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.
Mentioned this to Mrs. T and she asked a couple of good questions.
So now, if you're up for elder do they ask you if you've had a vasectomy?
If you did it between 1985 and 1999 are you grandfathered in, or do they have to remove you?
And I love the talk about some in the cong. getting stirred up if they found out. First of all nobody but a bunch of nosy busybodies pries into other peoples lives, and if they didn't have a bunch of dirty old men in brooklyn egging them on, they wouldn't care.
more book research.. the wtbs is very found of saying how they are all one happy family.
in africa the tribal divisions still run very deep.
that was what was driving the genocide in rwanda.
More book research.
The WTBS is very found of saying how they are all one happy family.
In Africa the tribal divisions still run very deep. That was what was driving the genocide in Rwanda. Has the Society really been succesful in overcoming this. Or do the different tribes stake out their own parts of the Kingdom Hall, assembly etc.
If anybody has any info I'd like to hear it.
Thanks
before i get started, please let me emphasize that i am not a witness nor ever will be again.
many of their policies are crooked and underhanded.
however, i did some more research on the un thing and found out valid reasons why the wtbts joined.
If you go back a few pages you will find a lengthy thread from "BadWillie." Last night he and his wife were publicly reproved for discussing the UN issue with another dub. From the sounds of it the elders considered DF'ing them.
If this is all on the up and up, why chastise somebody for talking about it? The truth is the borg knows it violated its own rules and is trying to cover its tracks.
my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.
i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.
my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.
Willie, I'd like to get in touch with you.
My e-mail is [email protected]
My wife and I have been out a long time. I have some info you might find useful.
hi friends;.
just wondering about this subject of holidays again.
i really miss christmas but don't have enough nerve to celebrate it.
We started celebrating everything as we were leaving in the fall of 1988. People who don't know all of our history, but know we've been married for 27 years are confused by our hallmark ornament: "1988-Our first Christmas together."
to who will listen:.
until yesterday, i did not even know that this discussion group or anything like it existed.
i really did not care.
Glad to have you here. I've been out since 1989, had to discover a lot of things the old fashioned way as the net didn't exist.
If you want feel free to e-mail me at [email protected]. I have some information I'd like to share with you.
is there a new breed of jw emerging, i wonder?.
i know that there are lots of real brainwashed dubs around who see demons behind every car boot sale item and who scuttle off to the elders with every bit of tittle-tattle imaginable, but, i think that there is a new type of dub who quietly does just as he / she pleases.. this is what i think: many of the long-serving jw's who have seen the 1975 failure and the 1914 generation change are now approaching old age with something of a jaundiced eye, and are choosing to do their own thing in their remaining years.
in conversations i am picking up it seems that the elders are being regarded somewhat derisively by many jw's.
Are we now going to see a new group of people that have left? Those that gave up because the borg is no longer slapping everybody into line? Could be an interesting development.
g'day blokes and sheilas,.
in the interest of world peace, we are presenting a course in strine as a service to our fellow worldlings.
study it well before the next sydney bbq.. today's lesson is in phrases beginning with the word 'like', which are so necessary for descriptive language.. 1. like a blue-arsed fly........in a frantic manner.
I'm about as far away from you as anyone can get (Seattle). However I'm going to give your e-mail to my daughter as she is in Sydney.
Also, since I cook on the grill about three-five nights a week, if you ever get in my neck of the woods, holler; we'll have a cook off.
i'm going to stick my neck out here and announce that i'm writing a novel based on my experience in the borg.. tonight, as part of my reseach, i looked up "chronology" in two sources:the zondervan pictoral encyclopedia of the bible, and the aid to bible understanding.
zondervan is a five volume work (vol 1 is 1056 pages) the aid book is 1694 pages.
on this subject zondervan spends 29 1/2 pages of (interesting) discussion that boils down to "nobody actually knows-here are x number of best guesses.
I'm going to stick my neck out here and announce that I'm writing a novel based on my experience in the borg.
Tonight, as part of my reseach, I looked up "chronology" in two sources:The Zondervan Pictoral Encyclopedia of the Bible, and The Aid to Bible Understanding. Zondervan is a five volume work (vol 1 is 1056 pages) the Aid book is 1694 pages. On this subject Zondervan spends 29 1/2 pages of (interesting) discussion that boils down to "nobody actually knows-here are x number of best guesses." The Aid book spend 27 pages (including some detailed time lines) laying out an exact chronology of the bible.
The most notable contrast is that the Aid book contains no foot notes. Zondervan notes its sources in great detail.
The thing that I find interesting is that now that I'm thirteen years out of the borg, I'm more comfortable with "nobody knows" than I am with "here is exactly how it happened." I think that the WTBS's need to have to supply an answer to every possible question is a big piece of what gets them in trouble.
Your thoughts?
PS: Since I brought up my book, what do you think it would take to get the borg to go "branch Dividian". post here or email me at [email protected]. Comments used will get attribution if/when I get published.
my name is kevin and i am jon's partner.
jon gave me his password a few weeks ago and asked me to post to the board if something happened to him.
as some of you know jon had been undergoing cancer treatment since the end of july.
I'm very sorry to hear about your loss.
