I've reached a point where I really dislike this king of thing. I can't see much difference between JW's running around trying to make more JW's, and XJW's running around trying to make more XJW's. Just do what you want and let others do what they want.
Posts by JeffT
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110Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!
by Crazyguy inspoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.
several people speak out.
if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.
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October 31, 2017 TO SELECTED BOEs IN THE US BRANCH TERRITORY Re: Discontinuation of the Funds-on-Deposit Arrangement
by wifibandit inoctober 31, 2017 to selected bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: discontinuation of the funds-on-deposit arrangement.
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JeffT
My guess the funds on deposit arrangement has some banking regulations that the corporation is not willing to meet, like an escrow account. Maybe a CPA or a financial expert will comment on this.
I'm not a CPA, but I've been an accountant for about twenty-five years. This was my first thought. They would have to keep all of those funds in a separate account or they're co-mingling funds - accounting speak for stealing (er..."borrowing"). .
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Shunning revered?
by new boy inin 1974 the society had changed there stance on shunning dis-fellowshipping people.
they said you could have limited association with those who were dis-fellowshipped.. what year did they change it back to the old way of shunning people?
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JeffT
The September 15, 1981 Watchtower made it clear that shunning was back in full force:
11 The expelled person is not a mere man of the world who has not known God nor pursued a godly way of life. Rather, he has known the way of truth and righteousness, but he has left that way and unrepentantly pursued sin to the point of having to be expelled. So he is to be treated differently. Peter commented on how such former Christians differ from an average "man on the street." The apostle said: "If, after having escaped from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the first. . . . The saying of the true proverb has happened to them: 'The dog has returned to his vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.'"—2 Pet. 2:20-22; 1 Cor. 6:11.
12 Yes, the Bible commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation. Thus "disfellowshiping" is what Jehovah's Witnesses appropriately call the expelling and subsequent shunning of such an unrepentant wrongdoer. Their refusal to fellowship with an expelled person on any spiritual or social level reflects loyalty to God's standards and obedience to his command at 1 Corinthians 5:11, 13. This is consistent with Jesus' advice that such a person be considered in the same way as "a man of the nations" was viewed by the Jews of that time. For some time after the apostles died, those professing Christianity evidently followed the Biblical procedure. But how many churches today comply with God's clear directions in this regard?
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The Watchtower's Real Crisis
by JeffT inwhen discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
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JeffT
Dropping print in favour of digital (they had no choice due to Swaggart law case) has in fact turned a lucrative business into one with zero income.
The problem wasn't the court case, it was the Watchtower's reaction to it. They could have kept doing what they were doing and paid the taxes (if I remember right it involved state sales tax). I believe they didn't go there because it would have made the sales numbers public information, and as always, they didn't want anybody to know what they were doing.
Had they chosen the other course, I think they could still have a reasonable income from print sales.
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The Watchtower's Real Crisis
by JeffT inwhen discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
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JeffT
There huge difficulties are the result of there anti education policies down the years. I read some where they lost 14 million in a recent year to bad investments and then 16 million the next year. So on what learning/basis was the investments made?
Do you have links to this information?
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The Watchtower's Real Crisis
by JeffT inwhen discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
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JeffT
When discussing the Watchtowers financial problems, I've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis. I've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem. This came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.
I think the Society's leadership is just plain out of ideas. For a very long time they had some people that could churn out new stuff for publication. A lot, if not all of it, was BS, but it was at least original. I can remember everybody combing every talk, book, magazine etc for "new light." I haven't seen a new thought in ages, the literature is getting dumbed down and repetitive. I think they're cutting back on magazines, not to save money, but because nobody can think of anything to put in them.
This does have a financial component, the business world is changing and they don't have anybody that can think of a replacement for their old business model.
This lack of ideas may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Some loyalists will stay, others will start looking for a group with fresh ideas, new interpretations etc. If they start poaching members to whatever new brand of BS has struck their fancy, the WTBS is in big trouble, the crowd will go for what's new, exciting, and a lot more entertaining.
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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JeffT
In thinking about what is on this thread, it seems to me that many people are calling for laws that are already exist in many places, if not everywhere. Ownership and transfer of fully automatic weapons is heavily regulated. Modifying a weapon to fire fully automatic is illegal. Selling guns across state lines is illegal. Background checks and safe storage laws are becoming more common.
I will suggest that what many of you need to do is either petition your state legislatures to pass laws like background checks that your state may not have, or severely beat your politicians to enforce the laws they have (Illinois/Chicago I'm looking at you). I know, somebody's going to say it needs to be done at the federal level, and they won't do it. Well, that's what we have state governments for.
This would be, as you say, a start.
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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JeffT
Seems you were the one who didn't understand my point. My point is exactly that, bolt action deer rifles are too cumbersome for crimes, yet you can hunt with them. Let's use them.
This is the comment I was addressing:
Also, no rifles with magazines.
Bolt action rifles have magazines.
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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JeffT
Konceptual 99: What laws do you think we need?
Cofty: owning a military style automatic weapon is already illegal.
redvip2000: Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Different firearms have different uses. My father was an upstanding citizen who a dozen or so guns. Bolt action deer rifles are rarely used in crimes, they are too cumbersome.
Last year heroin killed more people than either guns or cars. Maybe we need to make it illegal, oh wait...
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A "Three-fold cord"?
by stuckinarut2 inwe all know of the well used scripture that speaks of "a three-fold cord" in marriage.. sure, it is meant to indicate that any marriage that has "god" in it as the foundation of the couple's life will be successful.
but how often have we noticed that what it really means for witnesses is that the society, or the gb has the right to be an unwelcome and nosey intruder in the lives of couples.
every decision that family unit makes is influenced by the organisation.
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JeffT
The GB routinely take scriptures talking about God and apply them to themselves.