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  question about KH finance

  by peacefulpete in

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  i've been free of the jws for many years now and have a question about kh finance.. 1. is it true that all khs belong to the wt now?

  2. when remodeling is done who pays for it?.

  3. how are utilities paid?

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  JeffT

  Retired real estate accountant here. (commercial and apartment buildings). That isn't actually legalize, to me that document reads like what I'd expect a bright high school student to say in an essay entitled "How to buy a house," its a cut and paste job by a non professional .

  What most interesting about it is what they don't say about ownership. They mention two ways of owning the property: a trust, managed by the elders; and a coporation (probably an LLC in most of the US). What they don't say is that it doesn't make any difference, the WTBS ends up in control of the property, because they can change the elders anytime they want.

  This happened in California a few years ago. The WTBS wanted to sell a property. When the local elders refused the WTBS brought in new elders that would do as they were told. The original elders filed suit and lost, because the court ruled that it could not settle a religious dispute under the 1st amendment.

  So even though all the paperwork may have the name of the local congregation on it, the real owner is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
  
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  District convention to be held in assembly hall instead of stadium

  by NikL in

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  2. friends

  last night they announced that this summers district convention will be held at an assembly hall.. this is the first time i've seen this happen.

  there are a couple of congregations in the same hall here and they aren't going to the same ones.

  they are having multiple dates.. the hall they are going to use can only hold 1500 people max.. just wondering if maybe they just couldnt get anything bigger this year or if the falling numbers are playing a part in this decision.

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  JeffT

  Tresdecu, welcome to the NW, I live in Woodinville.

  When I became a JW in the seventies, the big conventions were held in the Kingdome (which doesn't exist anymore). Typically about 50,000 people attended. Then they went to the Tacoma dome, with about 10,000 attending each of two or three conventions. So going to the assembly hall is just another data point in the downward slide.
  
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  Do You Think Trump Should Be Impeached?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  some democrats are zealously pushing the impeachment route to get rid of trump.

  even if you don’t like him, do you support impeachment proceedings?.

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  I think Pelosi is dragging her feet on impeachment because she knows that all the bad stuff that went on under Obama will be dragged out into the light at the hearings. I assume that she's working on the assumption that a Democrat next year. That may be a big assumption, its what everybody said about Hilary.

  Simon: Impeaching Obama is a waste of time, he's already not President, which is the only possible punishment for impeachment. He can still be criminally charged if a crime becomes known (see above).
  
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  The myth, lie that Christendom has hid Gods name, all of these Centuries.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it has been well documented that jehovah`s witnesses have long claimed that christendom has hidden the name of god for centuries.. and that they alone have restored that name in the last century,.

  making it known in all of the earth for a witness.. nothing could be further from the truth .. 1.justus martinus a 13th century spanish monk took the four hebrew letters of the tetragrammaton for gods name and added vowels to those consonants and came up with hebrew letters to english jhvh and the vowels he added e o a. which amounted to jehovah ,remember this was in the thirteenth century by a spanish catholic monk.. 2.this name persisted throughout the centuries to this day ,in many so of christendoms writings etc,etc.. 3.churches of christendoms religions throughout the world have the name jehovah in stone on them engraved since that 13th century .

  4.in the 1970`s if i remember correctly their was an international convention held around the world in which the jw`s released a publication of the conventions and the churches of christendom to the delegates showing these churches many of which had the name jehovah engraved in stone on them.......centuries old churches.

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  JeffT

  A can't reconcile the Watchtower's claim that we can trust the Bible becauce God saw to that it was translated and preserved for us with complete accuracy; with the Watchtower's claim that some how Satan scrubbed God's own name out of the text with impunity.

  It can be one or the other, not both.
  
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  How Affected By Jehovah’s Witness News Are You At This Point In Your Life?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i’ve been out for many many years.

  i still like to know the latest jw news although i find myself not as excited by things..

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  Zero impact, but I do find some items interesting. Mostly I'm glad I got out a long time ago.
  
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  Is It Israel or Palestine??

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  does palestine actually exist?

  does israel have the right to exist!.

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  Anybody want to name all the middle-eastern countries that celebrated the 50th anniversary of Stonewall with a parade?
  
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  Ever heard of this angel power?

  by blondie in

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  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1961047#h=16:285-23:710. we may also safely conclude that angels, god’s spirit messengers, travel at tremendous speeds.

  thus once when daniel began to pray, god dispatched an angel to him in answer to his prayer.

  this angel, although coming from beyond the realms of outer space, reached daniel before he had concluded his prayer.—dan.

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  Do angels have mass? If not, then they can travel at infinite speeds. Since the WTBS says they don't have physical bodies, I would take that to mean they have no mass and get from one place to another instantly.
  
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  Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.

  by Pallbearer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.

  i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?

  and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.

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  JeffT

  The Watchtower's position on blood is also unscientific. Medicine does not recognize "major" vs "minor" components of blood. Transfusions of whole blood are relatively rare these days. Current practice is to give you the component you need.
  
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  Who In The Hell Is This Guy?

  by The Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i got this pm from edgar james adams.

  hello my fellow brethren!.

  i am trying to educate people about the positive influence that jehovah's witnesses can have on humanity and on my local community in general!

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  JeffT

  Who in the bleep names their kid Edgar?

  Jose and Christina Salgado Martinez. Their son Edgar was just inducted into the baseball hall of fame.
  
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  If You Could Pick Just One Title Of A Song That Would Describe Your Life

  by The Bethelite in

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  2. friends

  what would it be?.

  mine would be "rocket man" by elton john.

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  JeffT

  "We're not gonna take it" from the Rock Opera Tommy, if I had to pick one. With out that restriction I'd say the whole album. It came out before I was assimilated (I was about to graduate High School), and I always like the music. Since I left the WTBS I've thought the salvation via pinball meme was a good allegory for trying to sell enough Watchtowers.