If that's their plan, its a plan for committing institutional suicide. You don't grow your business by dumping on your most loyal customers. I suspect that church is going to go under. I don't expect to see the end of the Watchtower, but its going to shrink a lot in the next few years.
Posts by JeffT
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11Could this be part of the reason for the WT “big relocation” campaign?
by Hecce incottage grove, minn. (ap) — a struggling minnesota church is asking its older parishioners to leave in hopes of making it more attractive to young families.. .
grove united methodist church in the st. paul suburb of cottage grove is closing in june, with plans to relaunch in november.
the present members, most of them over 60 years old, will be invited to worship elsewhere, the st. paul pioneer press reported.
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Would You Ever Go Back To The Witnesses??
by minimus inevery once in a while you hear people say they actually “miss” their old witness friends and or family.
some would have even stayed in the organization if they became a bit more liberal and open minded.
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JeffT
You couldn't drag me back with a team of wild horses.
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147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people
by neat blue dog induring gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.
i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.
then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.
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JeffT
I couldn't get through more than about two minutes of that mess. I've got stumps in the yard with more personality. I wonder if they're preparing the flock for an announcement that they are stepping back from predicting the end of the world. They could keep preaching to "keep the world aware that the end is coming" or some such nonsense.
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How Do You Think Eco Terrorists Should Be Dealt With?
by minimus inrecently, some activists decided to interrupt a train that was delivering coal.
police were called and 10 hours later the activists were dispersed.
it’s not unusual now to see picketers close down a bridge or a street for “climate change “.
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No, it releases toxins. Hang them, the rope can be recycled.
I agree with comments above, most of these people have no idea what life with no modern materials and equipment looks like.
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What Will Happen To President Trump In Your Opinion?
by minimus inhe has been “impeached “.
will he be convicted in the senate?
is he so “damaged goods” that he is ineffectual?
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OK, here is a democrat and constitutional expert who says the process isn't complete until the House sends the articles of Impeachment to the senate.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/20/noah-feldman-democrat-impeachment-witness-says-tru/
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Help with my novel I'm writing
by pimonotforlong ini don't know if i'm submitting this under the proper subject area, but i had a question i was wondering if anyone had any expertise on.. i'm writing a ya novel inspired by my experiences growing up and being a teenager as a jehovah's witness.
it is a fictional story though.
however, my critiquing beta readers are torn between whether i should make it the actual jw religion in the book, or if i should make a fictional religion based on the jws.
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JeffT
I've written (but not yet published) a novel based loosely on my experience as a JW. I invented my own religion for it, for several reasons. For me the most important factor was that I didn't have to worry about the details of life as a witness, I can put words in the mouths of my characters without having to worry about whether or not a JW would say that.
I'm currently working on another project by I hope to get back to this one soon. Basic plot line: Armageddon hasn't arrived so the religion decides to take matters in their own hands.
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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages
by Simon inthe craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!
and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.
yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.
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A referendum for things like leaving the EU and the union or joining a different one should be a once-in-20-year type decision. It can't be endless flip-flopping.
As I said, it took a war for the US to figure this out. The problem is you can't run a country when people think they can decide to pick up their marbles and go play somewhere else every time somebody does something they don't like. Being a good citizen in a democracy sometimes means you live with decisions you don't like because you got outvoted. Twenty years is way too close together, if you're going to allow it at all.
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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages
by Simon inthe craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!
and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.
yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.
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Interesting to watch all this from a historical perspective. The Confederate States of America made similar arguments in the run up to the Civil War. Did the states retain a right to withdraw from a Union that they felt was changing the rules of the game? Did they have a right to ignore supreme court rulings they disagreed with? Did the Federal Government have a right to tell the states what to do within their borders? Six hundred thousand dead Americans later, we had the answers. I hope our friends in the UK are not going down that road.
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The Watchtower & Herald of Christs presence / The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah`s Kingdom- Why the change & when ?
by smiddy3 ini`m wondering just when and why the g.b.of jw`s made the change as they did to their official magazine.?.
at first they were advertising his presence long before they claim he actually arrived .. 1879 was the first wt wasn`t it ?
and their advertising his presence ,when according to their beliefs he din`t actually arrive with his presence until 1914.?.
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JeffT
The magazine started out as "Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence." It changed its name several times between 1909 and 1939 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Watchtower). There was no governing body at that time. Most of the changes would have been Rutherford's doing.
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Lack of zeal
by road to nowhere ini hear rumbling about the rank and file not having the same zeal they had when new.. lets see: door to door at the time least likely to find someone.
waste of a whole morning.
isolated.
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JeffT
It's hard to be zealous over the religious equivalent of digging holes and filling them up again.